SCG planning on knocking down more stands

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  • AnnieH
    RWOs Black Sheep
    • Aug 2006
    • 11332

    #16
    THEY may not be the best seats in the house, but they will surely be the most expensive.

    A plan to demolish and replace the SCG's Bradman, M.A. Noble and Dally Messenger stands to boost seating by 2725 will cost $45,000 for each additional seat.

    The Sydney Cricket Ground Trust has lodged an application with the Department of Planning to undertake a $124 million redevelopment of the venue that would allow 48,000 people to attend cricket, Australian rules and rugby league matches.
    I take it they'll be raising our membership's to help cover the $45K per seat.

    SCG development plan to cost $45,000 per seat
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    • Wardy
      The old Boiler!
      • Sep 2003
      • 6676

      #17
      Originally posted by AnnieH
      I take it they'll be raising our membership's to help cover the $45K per seat.

      SCG development plan to cost $45,000 per seat
      Geez I hope you can pay that off by the month....
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      • j s
        Think positive!
        • Jan 2003
        • 3303

        #18
        Originally posted by Wardy
        yet they are going to keep that god awful Bill O'Reillly stand!
        The O"Reilly is on the agenda for replacement - just not this time round.

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        • JF_Bay22_SCG
          expat Sydneysider
          • Jan 2003
          • 3978

          #19
          Originally posted by alison.z
          but why?
          Because the stands are a dinosaur from an era long long ago. They are cold & ugly. And hamper the SCG capacity-wise as well.

          The SCG is a disgrace & apart from Manuka & maybe Subiaco is the worst in the league. Antiquated facilities will only mean more games will end up going to Homebush, something that scares the SCG Trust senseless.

          If they don't provide a facility for cricket & the Swans to regularly draw 50000, then more events will leave the precinct.

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          • j s
            Think positive!
            • Jan 2003
            • 3303

            #20
            Originally posted by AnnieH
            I take it they'll be raising our membership's to help cover the $45K per seat.

            SCG development plan to cost $45,000 per seat
            The additional corporate facilities will be paying a lot more than that.

            The construction contract for Homebush limits the maximum capacity of the SCG to 48,000 seats

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            • Dave
              Let those truckers roll
              • Jan 2003
              • 1557

              #21
              I just hope they keep working their way round to the Members and Ladies stands...
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              • goswannie14
                Leadership Group
                • Sep 2005
                • 11166

                #22
                Originally posted by j s
                The additional corporate facilities will be paying a lot more than that.

                The construction contract for Homebush limits the maximum capacity of the SCG to 48,000 seats
                Until when? Is there a 10 year clause or something like that?
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                • Bob Neil
                  Opportunistic Join Date
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 313

                  #23
                  Names for new SCG stands thread....

                  Plugger
                  Goodsey
                  etc...?

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                  • floppinab
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1681

                    #24
                    Have read it somewhere today, not sure where, that they'll extend the playing surface a few more metres at that end as well.

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                    • j s
                      Think positive!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 3303

                      #25
                      Originally posted by goswannie14
                      Until when? Is there a 10 year clause or something like that?
                      I'm sure there is time limit but the summary of the StadeOz submission to the planning application for the Trumper Stand didn't mention it though the phrase "long term seating capacity" did appear.

                      StadeOz reverts to public ownership in 2031 so the restriction is probably until that date.

                      I'm sure it would not be just the SCG that is restricted, it most likely prevents any Stadium (existing or new) being big enough to compete directly.


                      5.5 Maximum Seating Capacity
                      Issue Summary
                      5.5.1 The status of the project in the light of the Stadium Australia Project Agreement as amended on 20
                      December 1999 by the Stadium Australia Project Agreement Amendment Deed.
                      Raised By
                      5.5.2 Telstra Stadium; Sydney Olympic Park Authority (SOPA)
                      Consideration
                      5.5.3 There are commercial and contractual arrangements that exist between NSW State Government and
                      the Stadium Australia Trust as set out within the Stadium Australia Project Agreement as amended on
                      20 December 1999 by the Stadium Australia Project Agreement Amendment Deed. This agreement is
                      applicable to redevelopment of major stadia in NSW including the SCG.
                      5.5.4 The ?Redevelopment of an Existing Competitive Stadium? section of the Deed places restrictions and
                      notification obligations upon the NSW Government in situations where it assists in the redevelopment
                      of new and existing competitive venues. The rationale for this is to ensure that the private sector could
                      plan for its business needs over the duration of the 30 year lease.
                      5.5.5 The term ?redevelopment? within this section of the Deed refers to an increase in the maximum seating
                      capacity to in excess of 48,000 seats. The development proposal will increase the maximum seating
                      capacity of the SCG from 44,000 to 46,746 seats. This increase in seating capacity at the SCG will not
                      therefore contravene the provisions of the Deed.
                      5.5.6 Whilst it is acknowledged that there is reference within the EA to future redevelopment at the SCG this
                      falls outside the scope of the current application and does not form part of the current development
                      proposal. The Department?s assessment of the application has been carried out on the basis of an
                      overall increase in seating capacity from 44,002 to 46,746 seats.
                      Department?s Position
                      5.5.7 The Department considers it appropriate to recommend that the Minister impose a condition upon his
                      approval limiting the maximum seating capacity to the number of seats proposed (with limited
                      contingency) (Condition A2). This limit is based upon the outcomes of the Department?s merit
                      assessment of the environmental impacts associated with the proposal as set out in Section 6.
                      Last edited by j s; 12 September 2008, 02:26 PM.

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                      • goswannie14
                        Leadership Group
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 11166

                        #26
                        Originally posted by j s
                        I'm sure there is time limit but the summary of the StadeOz submission to the planning application for the Trumper Stand didn't mention it though the phrase "long term seating capacity" did appear.

                        StadeOz reverts to public ownership in 2031 so the restriction is probably until that date.

                        I'm sure it would not be just the SCG that is restricted, it most likely prevents any Stadium (existing or new) being big enough to compete directly.

                        http://www.duap.nsw.gov.au/asp/pdf/0...ection_4-5.pdf
                        I noticed somewhere, possibly on the SCG site that they were looking at doing the reno's without public money being used. If that is the case it could, in my unlearned Legal opinion, go ahead without the priviso

                        5.5.4 The ?Redevelopment of an Existing Competitive Stadium? section of the Deed places restrictions and
                        notification obligations upon the NSW Government in situations where it assists in the redevelopment
                        of new and existing competitive venues.
                        The rationale for this is to ensure that the private sector could
                        plan for its business needs over the duration of the 30 year lease.
                        Coming into effect.
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                        • Glenn
                          ROLLLLLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 2443

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Dave
                          I just hope they keep working their way round to the Members and Ladies stands...

                          Members and Ladies are heritage listed so doubt they will be touched.
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                          • goswannie14
                            Leadership Group
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 11166

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Glenn
                            Members and Ladies are heritage listed so doubt they will be touched.
                            Surely public safety must come before some sentimental heritage listing.
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                            • Dave
                              Let those truckers roll
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1557

                              #29
                              Originally posted by goswannie14
                              Surely public safety must come before some sentimental heritage listing.
                              Not to mention the fact that they are impracticle and look totally out of place.

                              They could quite easily relocate them to Nth Sydney Oval like the other old stands.

                              It's all the cricket traditionalists that are the problem.
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                              • mcs
                                Travelling Swannie!!
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 8149

                                #30
                                I like the Members and Ladies stand gives the place a bit of character imo. They do need some reno work though that is for sure.

                                Good news that Daily Messenger stand is going its a piece of junk that is for sure. Wish they were doing the O'Reilly at the same time but ah well a bit at a time is better then none at all!
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