Kirk's leadership lacking?

[Matty10]

Kirk didn't lack leadership - he lacked support.

[ROK Lobster]

Kirk wasn't as influential last night but I thought you of ALL people would be able to read between the lines into this... he played so well last week that any drop in form would make him look like he had a poor game. This is true of any player. And how can we say he wasn't as inspirational last night as he was last week? I'm sure he did and said the same things as last week... the players simply couldn't respond to his leadership.

Not his fault.

Well, how can he be given credit for the week before?

[ScottH]

He was the one giving the big speech at 3/4 time. If the team don't react to the words laid out, I can't see how it is Kirks fault.

I also beleive Kirk lifted his game last week, and it was Roos who gave the inspirational words.

It aint gonna happen every week.

[Mogg0]

Well, how can he be given credit for the week before?

Kirk led by example last week. His clearance work was fantastic. His verbal 'leadership' wasn't what won us the game... his actions were his form of leadership. I think you're confused.

If he is heavily tagged, he'll not be able to have the same impact. Stop arguing for the sake of Devil's Advocate, it's too see-through.

[Lakeside]

Why didn't he inspire the side to a win last night? Clearly (according to RWO at least) he can inspire the team to great things when he chooses to? Why did he go missing like Goodes against a top 8 team when the game was there to be won in qtr 3? I'd have a lot more respect for him if he could turn it on consistently rather than just when it suits him. He lives off the reputation of a couple of great quarters. What would he be worth at the trade table?

You have become so boring and predicable i had to sign up just to tell you.

[SwanJoel]

Kirk did what the Bulldogs allowed him to do and picking up 22 disposals under the kind of pressure the dogs applied to him is a very good effort. I thought Buchannan was fantastic and the only player to truely support him in close and in winning contested ball.

[Triple B]

Kirk led by example last week. His clearance work was fantastic. His verbal 'leadership' wasn't what won us the game... his actions were his form of leadership. I think you're confused.

If he is heavily tagged, he'll not be able to have the same impact. Stop arguing for the sake of Devil's Advocate, it's too see-through.

Bingo

[ROK Lobster]

Kirk did what the Bulldogs allowed him to do and picking up 22 disposals under the kind of pressure the dogs applied to him is a very good effort. I thought Buchannan was fantastic and the only player to truely support him in close and in winning contested ball.

Good players break tags. I thought Akermanis showed more leadership last night.

RWO cannot have it both ways. How can his leadership provide a win one week, then it is the players failing to support him that loses it the next. I don't have a problem with how he played last night. But how come he can drag the side across the line with guts and determination one week, but can't the next. Sounds a lot like what other players get bagged for, but not Kirky. Why not?

[Matty10]

I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at - are you asking why one player cannot play like superman every quarter, every game?

Some great players have those moments where they are able to lift themselves beyond what is good (and / or expected) which inspires those around them. No-one has done that every game.

Hird, Judd, Kelly etc have all had great moments where their individual actions have inspired their team which has corresponded to a win. However they have also played average games where for what every reason they have not been able to lift themselves or their team beyond a certain standard.

That's life - that's football.

That is also why people on here (and in the football world in general) celebrate those inspirational efforts (such as Kirk during the 3rd quarter last week) because they recognise that those efforts are rare and special.

When players like those named above manage to do this more than once or twice a year people start recognising those players as special, and not just their efforts - and that is fair enough.

[Lakeside]

Good players break tags. I thought Akermanis showed more leadership last night.

Well Kirk isn't exactly gifted in all depratments, but you are having a crack at his commitment and he busted a right nut.

RWO cannot have it both ways. How can his leadership provide a win one week, then it is the players failing to support him that loses it the next. I don't have a problem with how he played last night. But how come he can drag the side across the line with guts and determination one week, but can't the next. Sounds a lot like what other players get bagged for, but not Kirky. Why not?

I don't know what your main issue is? Does it irk you that we dare to show passion towards the heart and soul of our club? Are you seriously questioning the motives why he gets the plaudits he does?

Or is this a veil attempt to have a dig at kirky because in your opinion Kirky conspired with Paul Roos to treat Nick Davis so unfairly?

What ever it is you are trying to achieve is rather amusing to watch and quite petty and childish at the same time don't you think?

[Lakeside]

When players like those named above manage to do this more than once or twice a year people start recognising those players as special, and not just their efforst - and that is fair enough.

Well said.

[reigning premier]

Pointless thread....

Closer to trolling/baiting than and actual thread/discussion.

[Dogzbody]

....and RP just ended it....hopefully!

[Mogg0]

What ever it is you are trying to achieve is rather amusing to watch and quite petty and childish at the same time don't you think?

Bingo.

This thread is just a troll to stir up a few hornet's nests. We're better than that.

[ROK Lobster]

So to ask why Kirk turns it on sometimes and not others is trolling? I've never questioned his courage, or commitment. I've questioned his ability, but not his work ethic.

The thread poses a simple question. If Kirk's greatest asset is his leadership, which it pretty clearly seems to be, if his greatest value to the club is his ability to turn it on when it matters, isn't he open to criticism when he fails to perform at that level. As I said before, if Hall marks and kicks badly he is given a hard time, Goodes cops a lot of criticism for going missing, Jude Bolton, rightly or wrongly, gets a hiding when he is off the boil. Kirk was amongst it last night but I didn't think he had the enthusiasm of the week before,or the passion.

What is wrong with you people?