Brownlow votes: just how wrong did the umps get it?

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  • SimonH
    Salt future's rising
    • Aug 2004
    • 1647

    Brownlow votes: just how wrong did the umps get it?

    Everyone says, 'Hey, no fair: only midfielders can win it'. Which is a little like saying that it's not fair that I didn't grow to 192cm with Adam Goodes' build and talent: unfortunate, but that's the way life is and we all just have to live with it.

    The issue that's endlessly fascinating is which players they give votes to. A little exercise worth doing is comparing the mere mortal umpires with the gods who do the RWO weekly report. I can say for sure that there's a lot of disagreement there, although the umps did hit some awesome form around rounds 6-8, 10-13 and 16-19.

    Round 1. Amon Buchanan, 1 vote. 2nd best in RWO report.
    Round 2. Craig Bolton, 3 votes. 7th best in RWO report.
    Barry Hall, 2 votes. 2nd best in RWO report.
    Jarred Moore, 1 vote. Not in best (8 players!) in RWO report.
    Round 3. Adam Goodes, 3 votes. 6th best in RWO report.
    Kieren Jack, 2 votes. Not in best (7 players) in RWO report.
    Round 4. Tadhg Kennelly, 3 votes. 4th best in RWO report.
    Adam Goodes, 2 votes. Not in best (5 players) in RWO report.
    Jarrad McVeigh, 1 vote. Not in best in RWO report.
    Round 5. Adam Goodes, 2 votes. Not in best (5 players) in RWO report.
    Round 6. Adam Goodes, 3 votes. Best player in RWO report.
    Round 7. Ryan O'Keefe, 1 vote. Best player in RWO report.
    Round 8. Brett Kirk, 3 votes. Best player in RWO report.
    Jude Bolton, 2 votes. Not in best (7 players) in RWO report.
    Jarred Moore, 1 vote. 3rd best in RWO report.
    Michael O'Loughlin: 6 goals, no votes.
    Round 9. Adam Goodes, 2 votes. 6th best in RWO report.
    Michael O'Loughlin, 1 vote. Not in best (7 players) in RWO report.
    Round 10. Adam Goodes, 3 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Ryan O'Keefe, 2 votes. 2nd best in RWO report.
    Brett Kirk, 1 vote. Not in best (5 players) in RWO report.
    Round 11. Adam Goodes, 3 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Brett Kirk, 1 vote. 2nd best in RWO report.
    Round 12. Ryan O'Keefe, 3 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Craig Bolton, 2 votes. Not in best (6 players) in RWO report.
    Adam Goodes, 1 vote. 3rd best in RWO report.
    Round 13. Brett Kirk, 3 votes. 2nd best in RWO report.
    Barry Hall, 2 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Round 14. Brett Kirk, 2 votes. 3rd best in RWO report.
    Round 15. Brett Kirk, 2 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Round 16. Ryan O'Keefe, 3 votes. 2nd best in RWO report.
    Darren Jolly, 2 votes. 3rd best in RWO report.
    Round 17. Ryan O'Keefe, 1 vote. Best in RWO report.
    Round 18. Jarrad McVeigh, 3 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Round 19. Jude Bolton, 3 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Adam Goodes, 2 votes. 2nd best in RWO report.
    Round 20. The first time for the year we got no votes at all!
    Round 21. Hey, we're really enjoying that 'no votes' thing.
    Round 22. Jarred Moore, 3 votes. Best in RWO report.
    Patrick Veszpremi, 2 votes. 4th best in RWO report.
    Amon Buchanan, 1 vote. 6th best in RWO report.

    Actually, the umps weren't too bad, on reflection.

    And for the stats nerds vis a vis Vespa: who was the last player to get dropped (albeit only nominally, as it turned out) the week after polling Brownlow votes?
  • eggbeater
    Left Right Out
    • Sep 2006
    • 229

    #2
    Hey Simon, could you please also post which teams we were playing against for each round. Would help to jog some memories.

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    • AussieAnge
      On the Rookie List
      • Sep 2003
      • 1057

      #3
      Wouldn't it be better to compare the Brownlow votes against the TLM?
      Bring it on!

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      • AussieAnge
        On the Rookie List
        • Sep 2003
        • 1057

        #4
        Originally posted by SimonH
        Everyone says, 'Hey, not fair: only midfielders can win it'. Which is a little like saying that it's not fair that I didn't grow to 192cm with Adam Goodes' build and talent: unfortunate, but that's the way life is and we all just have to live with it.
        I don't agree with this comment. It is an award for the "best & fairest player" not the B&F midfielder.
        Bring it on!

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        • goswannie14
          Leadership Group
          • Sep 2005
          • 11166

          #5
          Originally posted by AussieAnge
          I don't agree with this comment. It is an award for the "best & fairest player" not the B&F midfielder.
          You need to get the umpires to realise that too.

          How many, "non-midfelders" have won it? Not many.
          Does God believe in Atheists?

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          • cruiser
            What the frack!
            • Jul 2004
            • 6114

            #6
            Thanks for that Simon. It should silence the Goodes knockers.
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            • AussieAnge
              On the Rookie List
              • Sep 2003
              • 1057

              #7
              Originally posted by cruiser
              It should silence the Goodes knockers.
              I thought that was Annie's job
              Bring it on!

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              • johnno
                On the Rookie List
                • Apr 2008
                • 1102

                #8
                Adam Goodes is just a brownlow vote getting machine. He will win a third before his footy career is over.

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                • #73
                  Evil Voice of Reason
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 198

                  #9
                  Of course the umps got it wrong.

                  We spend all year complaining (correctly) about the ineptitude of modern umpires, yet we still hold the Brownlow up as the ultimate player award.

                  It should come as no surprise that they get it wrong.....THEY'RE UMPIRES!!!
                  Damn that Sorcerer! Twenty gold pieces and I'm wankered on rohypnol!

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #10
                    According to the OP Goodes picked up 7 votes he possibly shouldn't have.
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

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                    • C-Train
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 324

                      #11
                      I didn't realise that ranga's were eligable for the brownlow anyway?
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                      • ugg
                        Can you feel it?
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15968

                        #12
                        How did Jack get votes in Round 3? 11 possessions, 50 Champion Data ranking points. Hardly earth-shattering.
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                        • Claret
                          Support Staff
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 1104

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ugg
                          How did Jack get votes in Round 3? 11 possessions, 50 Champion Data ranking points. Hardly earth-shattering.
                          Keeping Luke Power to 4 kicks and 5 handballs is a pretty fair effort, particularly considering he had 51 possessions over the previous two weeks.
                          And the man who started it all, the Schneiderman . . . . .

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                          • ugg
                            Can you feel it?
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15968

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Claret
                            Keeping Luke Power to 4 kicks and 5 handballs is a pretty fair effort, particularly considering he had 51 possessions over the previous two weeks.
                            Fair enough. But it usually isn't the sort of game that umpires vote for. Just found it strange.
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                            • Claret
                              Support Staff
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 1104

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ugg
                              Fair enough. But it usually isn't the sort of game that umpires vote for. Just found it strange.
                              I agree that it's usually not the sort of game that the umps vote for. Not sure if this is a good thing?

                              I think as of last season the umpires were given access to the stats before submitting their votes - this probably highlights the job of taggers a little more.
                              And the man who started it all, the Schneiderman . . . . .

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