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  • ScottH
    It's Goodes to cheer!!
    • Sep 2003
    • 23665

    #16
    Did Tadhg Kennelly leave the Sydney Swans in the lurch?

    Yes 62% (1948 votes) No 37% (1170 votes) Total votes Total of 3118 votes

    Poll Results | Herald Sun

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    • reigning premier
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Sep 2006
      • 4335

      #17
      And the jury has returned it's verdict.....

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      • giant
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2005
        • 4731

        #18
        Gave his heart, soul and lots of other bits to the club - he didn't owe us anything by this point. best of luck to him & thx for the memories.

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        • connolly
          Registered User
          • Aug 2005
          • 2461

          #19
          Originally posted by giant
          Gave his heart, soul and lots of other bits to the club - he didn't owe us anything by this point. best of luck to him & thx for the memories.
          Actually his contract said he owed us one more season. But its only a legally binding promise. Great bloke Tadhg
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          • CureTheSane
            Carpe Noctem
            • Jan 2003
            • 5032

            #20
            Originally posted by connolly
            Actually his contract said he owed us one more season. But its only a legally binding promise. Great bloke Tadhg
            Sounds like someone needs some cornflakes.....
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            • timthefish
              Regular in the Side
              • Sep 2003
              • 940

              #21
              Originally posted by connolly
              Actually his contract said he owed us one more season. But its only a legally binding promise. Great bloke Tadhg
              i doubt you've read his contract. in regards to his obligations, i'm pretty sure it would have had clauses preventing him playing afl in australia at any level with any other club but not much more than that. the rest would have been stuff like protecting his right to medical treatment and care, conditions of pay and ways in which he could be penalised for sub-par performance and behavoir. i'd like to know what exactly you think was so enforceable, in both theoretical and practical senses. in that, i mean extending your argument beyond assertions, outrage and other bluster.
              again, do you wish he'd made a decision before he was sure and had the benefit of three months recovery and medical advice? perhaps you'd rather he played on when he no longer had the desire or confidence in his body to do so?
              the timing is regrettable and the way it was done was a bit rude but i think he made the right decision and the response from the club has been appropriate, responsible and dignified.
              he's retired from afl like many before him. get over it.
              Last edited by timthefish; 19 February 2009, 07:32 AM. Reason: i just wanted to rewrite it.
              then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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              • givekidsakick
                On the Rookie List
                • Apr 2008
                • 178

                #22
                very ordinary

                should have put his hand up before the draft....and we didn't put our hand up for Cuz...thats 2 losses for the price of one

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                • timthefish
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 940

                  #23
                  Originally posted by givekidsakick
                  should have put his hand up before the draft....and we didn't put our hand up for Cuz...thats 2 losses for the price of one
                  before he was certain? maybe barry hall, leo barry, kirk and anyone else who may have had some doubt about going on should have pre-emptively quit?
                  then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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                  • goswannie14
                    Leadership Group
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 11166

                    #24
                    Originally posted by timthefish
                    before he was certain? maybe barry hall, leo barry, kirk and anyone else who may have had some doubt about going on should have pre-emptively quit?
                    Yes they should. If they're not sure, better to pull the pin when it doesn't effect the clubs list that afterwards when it could have a big impact.
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                    • The Big Cat
                      On the veteran's list
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 2356

                      #25
                      Originally posted by givekidsakick
                      should have put his hand up before the draft....and we didn't put our hand up for Cuz...thats 2 losses for the price of one
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                      • Nico
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 11339

                        #26
                        Originally posted by goswannie14
                        Yes they should. If they're not sure, better to pull the pin when it doesn't effect the clubs list that afterwards when it could have a big impact.

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                        • desredandwhite
                          Click!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2498

                          #27
                          Originally posted by goswannie14
                          Yes they should. If they're not sure, better to pull the pin when it doesn't effect the clubs list that afterwards when it could have a big impact.
                          Why should he be different to anyone else in a "regular" job? His first priority is to look after himself. You are a long time retired, as they say, and you would want to be very very sure before pulling the plug.

                          Fact is, we don't know the full story. We don't know the contents of the contract - as someone else mentioned, it probably has clauses preventing him for playing for any other AFL club for the duration of the contract.

                          As for the timing... that is more a courtesy than a legally binding thing. Sure, it would have been nice if it was before the drafts so we could fill up the list - however there may have been salary cap considerations and as I said before - he would want to be super-sure before deciding to quit.

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                          • goswannie14
                            Leadership Group
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 11166

                            #28
                            Originally posted by desredandwhite
                            Why should he be different to anyone else in a "regular" job? His first priority is to look after himself. You are a long time retired, as they say, and you would want to be very very sure before pulling the plug.

                            Fact is, we don't know the full story. We don't know the contents of the contract - as someone else mentioned, it probably has clauses preventing him for playing for any other AFL club for the duration of the contract.

                            As for the timing... that is more a courtesy than a legally binding thing. Sure, it would have been nice if it was before the drafts so we could fill up the list - however there may have been salary cap considerations and as I said before - he would want to be super-sure before deciding to quit.
                            I understand what you are saying Des, however, as a Swans fan, all I care about is the club. It may sound mercenary, but I really don't care how long a player is going to be retired, after all he has only retired from professional sport, not from doing real work. What I care about is how the retirement may effect the clubs chances this year.

                            In saying this, you could be right that the timing had something to do with the salary cap. In which case it is the system that is making it difficult, not Kennelly.
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                            • Wardy
                              The old Boiler!
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 6676

                              #29
                              Originally posted by goswannie14
                              I understand what you are saying Des, however, as a Swans fan, all I care about is the club. It may sound mercenary, but I really don't care how long a player is going to be retired, after all he has only retired from professional sport, not from doing real work. What I care about is how the retirement may effect the clubs chances this year.

                              In saying this, you could be right that the timing had something to do with the salary cap. In which case it is the system that is making it difficult, not Kennelly.
                              I wonder if the club will seek to recover the costs for all the medical proceedures he had late last year - I mean - he really would have made this decision 6 months ago (know what I'm saying???), so the club fixed him up at their expense, and he says at the begining of the new year "see ya's"! (just my devious, cynical mind working there!)
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                              • timthefish
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 940

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Wardy
                                I wonder if the club will seek to recover the costs for all the medical proceedures he had late last year - I mean - he really would have made this decision 6 months ago (know what I'm saying???), so the club fixed him up at their expense, and he says at the begining of the new year "see ya's"! (just my devious, cynical mind working there!)
                                i think they have insurance effectively covering them for life for any ongoing treatment for football related injuries.
                                then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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