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  • SwansFan1972
    On the Rookie List
    • Nov 2008
    • 621

    #31
    Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
    OK, a few things.

    On the financial side of things, I'll grant you, yes, there are some struggles and the revenue flow from the Kings X Club is not what he would have hoped. But as for the cost of memberships - well hell, the price of things go up sometimes, particularly when they hadn't for years. As for the last part - that he is deliberately going out of his way to send the club broke to make a point . . . I want some of what you're on.

    Now, on the football side of things . . .

    Yes - he got rid of Eade who actually hasn't won anything yet

    Yes - he kept competitive tension in the selection process for the new coach

    Yes - he got Roos (and I love this mad narrative that says six clowns and a dog on Driver Ave made him submit against his will)

    So, so far, so good.

    Then we have the notion he said nothing during the 'ugly debate'. Mmm . . .

    Colless backs Roos in Sydney tactics debate - AFL - Sport - smh.com.au

    And, what was the end result of Colless and Roos' collective calm during all that? Oh, that's right, rather than run round like headless chooks namecalling, they were composed enough to go on and win a flag.

    Yeah, he's an absolute mug.
    A few things ..

    Cost of memberships - I don't know where you've been parking your butt at games over the last few years, but we have had (tolerable) small increases practically every year. Same again and all would have been sweet, but I'll repeat, our family ticket went up by 32% (and would have been 67% if not for the cave in on the "golden" concourse). You may be in a position to suck up a rise of those proportions, but clearly a lot of people aren't. And it is just really dumb policy to have the burden of cost fall mostly on kids tickets. We genuinely believed it had to be some kind of mistake when the prospectus first came, but the club quite bluntly set us to rights. We were told we would be able to spend roughly the same money as last year, but we would just have to move to one of the two cynically designated bronze bays. Their attitude towards us was one of tough luck, suck it up or don't, it is up to you what you do and we don't give a rats either way. Subsequently, this attitude has been re-validated - after ten years membership, we have not had one follow up call to find out why we didn't renew, or to even lay a guilt trip on us to try and re-sign us. Someone, somewhere at the club is badly dropping the ball on this stuff, and ultimately the boss needs to take responsibility, or at least know what the heck is going on. Yet according to Colless, the fall away in memberships is an inscrutable mystery. Well - it shouldn't be, and if anyone at the club is tuning in here, then pass the message up the line hey!

    I still cannot see how they justified cutting costs for anyone (regardless of the amount) in light of what they knew about last year's finances and what they reasonably should have expected for this year. That is straight up and down incompetent. Or maybe it is some crazy plan to shove down the AFL's throat what the Sydney market is all about (which will prove a complete waste of time - there is only one opinion that counts to the AFL and that is its own - West Sydney will happen no matter what because Demetriou says it will). Even if the West Sydney Wombats only play before six clowns and dog! At least that magnificent seven will be guaranteed to turn up, not having had much to do since 2002!

    Competitive tension in selecting the coach - what revisionist claptrap. Everyone knew what was supposed to go down re Wallace and it was only in the face of a mass revolt that Colless caved and put Roos in the job. It sure as heck wasn't your six clowns and a dog who made their point very very clear at the Richmond game at Homebush that closed out the 2002 season. Colless knew loud and clear that whatever he had cooked up with Wallace was headed for the dustbin, and if he didn't put Roos in the job, then Colless might as well have thrown himself in it too.

    As for sending the club broke - the question is not whether he is doing things deliberately or not, but it is fair to wonder what the grand plan is, AND to be a bit critical of recent developments. All recent evidence is that they have been ineffectual at achieving their own stated aim (which is to make the club less dependent on on-field performance). Apparently all the efforts in that direction (whatever they are beyond Club Swans - who would know?!?!) have amounted to zilch - Colless himself says exactly that in the "oh my heavens what is happening to us" article.

    I am happy to offer Colless congratulations for his efforts over the years, but that doesn't qualify him to stick around forever on reputation. Recent evidence is that management are not doing so hot, so perhaps it is time to move on. The best job in the world will always become a bit of chore when you've been in it too long, and there are signs that Colless himself is running out of steam (musing that he has no idea about why the swans are a hard sell at the moment is a huge signal that he's getting over it all). And why wouldn't he? If we believe his press, (and yours) he has been fighting a tough fight for a long time, so he has probably earned a breather!
    Last edited by SwansFan1972; 20 March 2009, 11:54 PM.

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    • givekidsakick
      On the Rookie List
      • Apr 2008
      • 178

      #32
      The clown remains...

      Originally posted by Cardinal
      Can we vote him out ?
      Have a look at the constitution.....the AFL is the only real member....we are just the mug mushrooms....why even bother to attend the AGM...all you can do is give them a gob full at which they would get their goons to toss you out. I only have contempt for a board that is unelected. We have had this discussion before.

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      • timthefish
        Regular in the Side
        • Sep 2003
        • 940

        #33
        Originally posted by connolly
        This is a bloke who squeezed out an outstanding coach who took us to a grand final and will probably win one with another club,
        a good strategist and disciplinarian who managed to provide exactly what the group needed after years of excellent preparation by barassi but then demonstrated the law of diminishing returns every year after that. eade had "lost" the players well before he was pushed.
        then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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        • Legs Akimbo
          Grand Poobah
          • Apr 2005
          • 2809

          #34
          Debating the merits or otherwise of RC's administration of the club is a waste of time. What matters is contemporary events.

          It seems to me, based on that article, that Richard Colless has lost his understanding of the reason d'entre of the club.

          If he has, then he needs to go. If he has not, then he needs a new Media Manager (the one that lives in the light tower)?

          Whichever way you look at it, the restructuring of the membership packages was poor policy, badly timed, shoddily enacted. These sorts of mistakes typically lead to change at the top. However, for that to happen, the folly (or maybe hubris) that guided the decision and the the decision itself, needs to be subjected to scrutiny. It seems until now, Richard Colless has got away with it.

          This particular ham fisted admission of ignorance makes me think he won't get away with it for much longer and more than anything, suggests that this may be Colless' last season at the Swans.
          He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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          • satchmopugdog
            Bandicoots ears
            • Apr 2004
            • 3691

            #35
            Originally posted by timthefish
            a good strategist and disciplinarian who managed to provide exactly what the group needed after years of excellent preparation by barassi but then demonstrated the law of diminishing returns every year after that. eade had "lost" the players well before he was pushed.
            Agree with you here. The body language at the Swans do in Melbourne before Eade left was painfully obvious. There was no connection between Eade and the players. They didn't like him and the interactions between them and him were like watching an episode of the Thunderbirds.
            Then the players would turn around and laugh and joke and interact with Roosy. It wasn't like that nasty horrible St.Kilda bloke who knifed everyone in the back to get what he wanted. It was just obvious to Jack Hill the Blind miner that Eade had lost the players.
            "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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            • laughingnome
              Amateur Statsman
              • Jul 2006
              • 1624

              #36
              Just wondering how many members here will take their gripes to the AGM in 5 days time?
              10100111001 ;-)

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              • connolly
                Registered User
                • Aug 2005
                • 2461

                #37
                Originally posted by satchmopugdog
                Agree with you here. The body language at the Swans do in Melbourne before Eade left was painfully obvious. There was no connection between Eade and the players. They didn't like him and the interactions between them and him were like watching an episode of the Thunderbirds.
                Then the players would turn around and laugh and joke and interact with Roosy. It wasn't like that nasty horrible St.Kilda bloke who knifed everyone in the back to get what he wanted. It was just obvious to Jack Hill the Blind miner that Eade had lost the players.
                Was this when it was open secret that he was on the skids? Eade was deliberately undermined in order to constructively dismiss him. Doesn't take players long to sniff the wind when the smell of an impending coaches shafting is in the air (terrible mixed metaphor . Apologies are in order as you are one of the truely literate amongst us )
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                • Cardinal
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 932

                  #38
                  Originally posted by givekidsakick
                  Have a look at the constitution.....the AFL is the only real member....we are just the mug mushrooms....why even bother to attend the AGM...all you can do is give them a gob full at which they would get their goons to toss you out. I only have contempt for a board that is unelected. We have had this discussion before.
                  Sorry it was easier to ask a facetious question than to have a rant about the lack of member capacity to influence the direction of the Swans - personally I'm more of a direct action person myself.

                  Anyway we'll see how we go on the field. Nothing like a tumble down the ladder to stimulate change
                  Last edited by Cardinal; 21 March 2009, 05:43 PM.

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                  • timthefish
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 940

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Cardinal
                    Anyway we'll see how we go on the field. Nothing like a tumble down the ladder to stimulate change
                    so how many here hope we tumble down the ladder so that we can finally get rid of the team that just happened to be around when we got a premiership?
                    then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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                    • Cardinal
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 932

                      #40
                      Originally posted by timthefish
                      so how many here hope we tumble down the ladder so that we can finally get rid of the team that just happened to be around when we got a premiership?
                      Not me. Not even for earlier draft picks although I have to admit that Carlton is starting to look fresh. Fosdike's time was up though. And yes I know he was in contract.

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                      • Cheer Squad
                        Sydney Swans
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1948

                        #41
                        Originally posted by connolly
                        Rodney Eade is a brilliant coach...
                        Eade took the club to a Grand Final in his first year as coach, and from then on it was all downhill. He hasn't won any premierships with the Bulldogs either.

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                        • Wardy
                          The old Boiler!
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 6676

                          #42
                          they are going to have to come up with some extra fund raising ideas on top of the major raffle. (what did happen to the game day raffle?)
                          Maybe they'll reintroduce the wandering blanket around the boundary at half time and you can hurl coins into like we used to in the good old days - they would pick up a couple of thou for sure each game. (it all helps!!!)
                          I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
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                          • goswannie14
                            Leadership Group
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 11166

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Wardy
                            they are going to have to come up with some extra fund raising ideas on top of the major raffle. (what did happen to the game day raffle?)
                            Maybe they'll reintroduce the wandering blanket around the boundary at half time and you can hurl coins into like we used to in the good old days - they would pick up a couple of thou for sure each game. (it all helps!!!)
                            We used to do that when I was in the CS in the 70's. It was often quite dangerous when carrying the blanket!!
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                            • barry
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8499

                              #44
                              I agree with the "framing the debate" comments. This is an old trick by colless. Almost every year he starts the season complaining about Olympics, rugby world cup, NRL, SCG development, etc, etc.

                              Makes him look good by just surviving in this market.

                              He's been here too long. He's done a good job, but we need someone with more energy to take us to a higher level.

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                              • Cardinal
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 932

                                #45
                                Originally posted by barry
                                I agree with the "framing the debate" comments. This is an old trick by colless. Almost every year he starts the season complaining about Olympics, rugby world cup, NRL, SCG development, etc, etc.

                                Makes him look good by just surviving in this market.

                                He's been here too long. He's done a good job, but we need someone with more energy to take us to a higher level.
                                Capper !!

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