Goodes = Mathew Hayden

[Lohengrin]

I would guess another way of expressing the OP is how often is Goodes the difference between us winning and losing?

[bedford]

I agreed with them, that Goodes is over-rated. I know few suporters of other teams that consider Goodes to be the player that Sydney fans do.

The last 2 weeks he has had 9 inside 50's not bad, i'd be more worried about McVeigh than Goodes

[Margie]

I agreed with them, that Goodes is over-rated. I know few suporters of other teams that consider Goodes to be the player that Sydney fans do.

But "a few supporters of other teams" is hardly the rest of the football world.

You have an opinion of Goodes and you've expressed it. I know plenty of supporters of other teams that think he's an outstanding player and I agree with them, but these are only small samples.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I think Goodes is a team player but admit that not every game of his is a great game. But that can be said of many players. In my opinion G. Ablett can turn a game, but he is surrounded by talented players. As someone else pointed out, even Judd can't turn the game for Carlton.

[pinkemu]

I agreed with them, that Goodes is over-rated. I know few suporters of other teams that consider Goodes to be the player that Sydney fans do.

I bet most of them would change their mind if he was offered to their club as a trade

[ROK Lobster]

The last 2 weeks he has had 9 inside 50's not bad, i'd be more worried about McVeigh than Goodes

Neither keep me awake at night.

[ROK Lobster]

I bet most of them would change their mind if he was offered to their club as a trade

Price of fish etc...

[ScottH]

Agree on the Port final - he was a match winner on that day and probably the difference.

I only saw the first quarter and some of the second quarter yesterday and did not notice Goodes particularly much. I would not have thought he was brilliant all day.

As for the Haydos analogy - with the exception of the first Test in India in that brilliant series I never thought him a match winner (or a match saver) in the same way as many others have been. He was a flat track bully but could also score runs when it was more difficult but never seemed to be able to drag a side over the line. I just get the feeling that Goodes is a bit the same.

As for captain's question - of course it is a gee-up. With the exception of some of the moronic responses I think it has generated a degree of interesting discussion. That was more or less the point.

You saw only a little less than I. You weren't wearing beer goggles at the tie were you. I thought Goodes was one of our best (not hard to be better than the rest at that stage) in the first half.
He tried and tried to lift the team, by trying different things, but one man, a team, does not make. Even when he @@@@@@ up, he went back in and got the ball again.
Maybe he couldv'e been more selfish, and taken on the Dogs himself, as he could probably see his team mates self destructing around him, but, who knows if he could.

[pinkemu]

Price of fish etc...

More expensive than lobster no doubt.

[goswannie14]

ROK has started some pretty strange threads in the past, but this one takes the cake. Incidently, the premise of the argument, that Hayden was a "flat track bully", really doesn't fit Goodes, as even the OP seems to admit at times.

[Cardinal]

As for captain's question - of course it is a gee-up. With the exception of some of the moronic responses I think it has generated a degree of interesting discussion. That was more or less the point.

I'm hoping that I was able to contribute in a suitably moronic way in line with the premise of the topic (although the idea that Hayden was over-rated has merit)

[royboy42]

That red you get into has some strange qualities ROK...especially when you run a whole thread before mentioning that you onyy saw one and a half quarters of the game!
Go the dual Brownlow medallist!

[ROK Lobster]

That red you get into has some strange qualities ROK...especially when you run a whole thread before mentioning that you onyy saw one and a half quarters of the game!
Go the dual Brownlow medallist!

The thread has nothing to do with his performance on Saturday specifically but had to do with his brilliant performances in games that are not there to be won or lost.

@@@@ people are thick.

[Dalai Lama]

when a problem comes around - you must whip it - & whip it GOODES!

[Industrial Fan]

He kicked 8 against the Dockers though, isn't that pretty much the same thing?

I'll pay that.

For what it's worth - he turned that game on "his own" - as much as anyone can feasibly do on their own.

[Mr Magoo]

Its unfair on a player to say that just because the end result wasnt a win that they cant turn a game.

Very few players in history fall into the category of winning a game on their own and if so it is most likely the odd game here or there as has been quoted for Goodes in this thread. Even plugger at his very best kicked bags of goals in many games but more times than not St Kilda still lost. Would you say that plugger kicking eight or ten in a losing team was just being selfish and not bringing the rest of his team into the game?

A player can only try to lift those around him by playing at his best, its rare they can bring players into the game other than to inspire others to follow suit. Unfortunately no one followed suit on saturday.