In defense of Hall

[dimelb]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9635/hallawl.jpg

I played the two rugbies; I've learned about AFL by watching. But that is the weirdest marking technique I've ever seen. What do other players think?

[DeadlyAkkuret]

In the game day thread , along with many on the forum,I blasted Hall. I was angry as I have ever been in footy. BUT....I was listening on radio and went by the commentators and the posts here.
Having finally seen it all on YouTube I have completely reversed my opinion.
For sure, the original incident was just typical of the crap BBB cops...the second 50 should in fact have been reversed if anything. What an overact from the Hawthorn player who clearly initiated the contact.

Now I am angry again for all the opposite reasons!

I feel exactly the same, I feel so bad that I went off at Hall. That 2nd 50 was absolutely ridiculous and hearing the snooty bitch of an umpire makes it a thousand times worse!

The man is a victim of his own reputation, it must be incredibly frustrating for him.

[satchmopugdog]

I played the two rugbies; I've learned about AFL by watching. But that is the weirdest marking technique I've ever seen. What do other players think?

He is trying to create space in front of him that is protected from the defender,before trying to mark the ball.

[Mr Magoo]

I disagree with all those saying that if Hall just stopped the whinging he would get more frees. He tried that for a number of seasons and still was crucified for frees. He was just better at keeping his frustration in check

It seems now that he has gotten sick and tired of getting crucified and the new rules devised since 05 to eliminate the swans style of game have also worked against his style of play. The AFL dont wont hard men, they want pretty athletic types to play the basketball game they seem to want so much. That will go down a treat in western sydney as sydney (add for that most of Australia) has shown how much it loves basketball.

[T-bag]

I thought he had his arm held first.

Yeah he did. You can see this quite clearly on a long camera shot that I have only seen replayed once. Was about two seconds before the ball was within range, and when Hall grabbed the jumper.

[T-bag]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9635/hallawl.jpg

There has never been any doubt in my mind (or many others on here) that Hall held the jumper. But there was a camera angle, shot from the other side (shown on Fox), that showed the holding of the arm before the holding of the jumper.

The outcome really should have just been play on

[Melbournehammer]

which it was - roughhead marked.

the 50 was for abuse, the next 50 for whacking roughhead and so on.

the reall issue was whether the abuse justified the first 50 - and most i think agree that it was at worst borderline - but heres the thing it is the inconsistency of who abuse is paid against that frustrates.

[T-bag]

He is trying to create space in front of him that is protected from the defender,before trying to mark the ball.

Correct. Although I don't see any need to spell it out for some. The less educated can just remain so

[T-bag]

which it was - roughhead marked.

the 50 was for abuse, the next 50 for whacking roughhead and so on.

the reall issue was whether the abuse justified the first 50 - and most i think agree that it was at worst borderline - but heres the thing it is the inconsistency of who abuse is paid against that frustrates.

Exactly.

[Lohengrin]

There has never been any doubt in my mind (or many others on here) that Hall held the jumper. But there was a camera angle, shot from the other side (shown on Fox), that showed the holding of the arm before the holding of the jumper.

The outcome really should have just been play on

In the lead up to that picture, it appears that Hall initiates the contact and Campbell's holding comes only after the picture.

It was called play on, which was correct. Was anyone disputing that?

[dimelb]

Correct. Although I don't see any need to spell it out for some. The less educated can just remain so

Speaking as one of the less educated - and I indicated that in my post - I needed to have it spelt out. The problem is that Satch's comment didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. I still think clutching the front of an opponent's jumper is a strange way to go about creating space, apart from being illegal. My implied question was: is this common practice?
If my ignorance offends you, that's your problem, not mine.

[Melbournehammer]

common not exactly - obviously the key is to make sure the defender cannot get to the ball without going through you - williams on bevan was a really good example of the use of the body. but using arms to hold the player out of the space and then shifting the arms is something kossy, mooney, fevola brown all do.

hall is one of relatively few who seem to ghrab the opponent but this was sort of what carey used to do and the commentators used to go on about tests of strength - for example silvagni used to use two arms around the two arms of the forward to prvent them from getting back to the drop of the ball.

the reality is that it actually doesn't suit us when hall does this anyway - he rarely marks in that situation and our game plan which is designed to create space for him and o'loughlin to lead into is not about having crumbers get to the feet quickly because that brings additional defenders into the space.

[Hartijon]

Speaking as one of the less educated - and I indicated that in my post - I needed to have it spelt out. The problem is that Satch's comment didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. I still think clutching the front of an opponent's jumper is a strange way to go about creating space, apart from being illegal. My implied question was: is this common practice?
If my ignorance offends you, that's your problem, not mine.

Way too common and incredibly annoying.Imagine trying to reach a contest and being impeded this way.The problem is to break free without giving an obvious and easily exagerated free to the opponent because you have to touch them to break the hold.eg arm down hard on their arm . Fevola milks this well.The "milking a free" sux and reminds me of soccer so much as its akin to rolling over in agony in the penalty box from the slightest contact.Better players who can judge the flight better use their body to hold the opponent out or force a free.(see Davis against Geelong,or a lot of forwards against Bevan) This leaves the opponent no option but to jump and punch and over the shoulder contact is easily milked too..Halls best work is with the body ..then lunging forward he takes what appears to be an easy chest mark.He is good at this and should not need to hold. Often holding is in response to holding..but this is dangerous for Hall as the umpires will not ever pay him but might easily pay against him.

The way to break free of all this is fast delivery to leading forwards but this does not always happen for hundreds of reasons

[10Totti10]

Thomo's opinion on the Hall incident

Don't encourage acting - Thomo

very interesting read. Sums up the whole situation.

[chalbilto]

Agreed. However there are some posters here who don't share the gist of the article and blame Barry for his actions. From the tone of their comments I think their views are pretty well set, so be it. As the saying goes we agree to disagree.