I'm out of patience

[BSA5]

Why is it that these blokes need a spell in the 2's to get their form back. Jack the Blind Miner knows it is above the shoulders and that they will get plenty of touches against vastly inferior opposition.

What good does a spell in the 2's do if the bit above the shoulders can't get it together in the one's when they come back.

For Malceski it is not above the shoulders. He just doesn't cut it any more in the one's, it is simply too tough for him. He does not have a strong body and just doesn't find it in his best interests to mix it with the big boys.

As I said before, it's not about getting plenty of touches. If I was Roos, Malceski getting 40 touches a game would mean jack all to me. If he had 20 disposals, and 15 of them were contested, he kicked with penetration, tackled and chased, just played like a terrier out there, that would be far more convincing an effort. I agree that the problem is above the head. So you don't just say, "Mal, go back to the ressies and find some touch by playing the same way you already are but against easier opposition", it's "Mal, go back to the ressies and start doing this, this, and this, and once you're doing that we'll see if you can do it against the big boys".

As for Moore, I think it's the opposite. He's doing all the physical things right, his contested work has been fantastic, he's just not getting into the right positions and finding the ball. If Moore could go back to the reserves and do what Mal would do naturally, and Mal could go back to the reserves and do what Moore would do naturally, that would be a perfect result.

[swans song]

you just can't send players back to reserves to get form. the comp is so inferior and requires players to play the entire game. at the same time we cannot keep playing players in seniors hoping they will play themselves back into form whilst we keep losing games

[Captain]

Crouch, Moore, & Mal had 20 poseesions between them + 3 Tackles
Not only BBH but the whole team needs a mirror

Crouch getting injured didn't help...

[BSA5]

you just can't send players back to reserves to get form. the comp is so inferior and requires players to play the entire game. at the same time we cannot keep playing players in seniors hoping they will play themselves back into form whilst we keep losing games

Sometimes I wonder if people actually read before they comment....

[BSA5]

Crouch getting injured didn't help...

He was also fantastic in his defensive role.

[Jeffers1984]

you just can't send players back to reserves to get form. the comp is so inferior and requires players to play the entire game. at the same time we cannot keep playing players in seniors hoping they will play themselves back into form whilst we keep losing games

i think i just went cross eyed...

[Melbournehammer]

He was also fantastic in his defensive role.

really ?

He was lucky rioli got injured. That first ten minutes rioli beat him in three of four contests - the fourth being a second before rioli got injured

I'm a big fan of crouch because he is quick even if he has a mongrel kick...

by the way did anyone notice when teddy was moved off williams ? When that one on one in our goal square happened i remembered thinking oh oh bevan is awfully isolated there ...

but i am pretty sure the game started with richards on williams

[goswannie14]

I'm out of patience with "fans" who turn on their own players (bar their favourite whipping boy) after a loss.

[ROK Lobster]

I'm out of patience with "fans" who turn on their own players (bar their favourite whipping boy) after a loss.

To be fair to the fans, we all have our own whipping boys and most of us stay true to them season after season. It's just when everyone's whipping boys are getting whipped consistantly it seems that everyone is "turning" on everyone.

[goswannie14]

To be fair to the fans, we all have our own whipping boys and most of us stay true to them season after season. It's just when everyone's whipping boys are getting whipped consistantly it seems that everyone is "turning" on everyone.

Don't start defending the fans, or they may turn on you!!!

[annew]

Another game away - another loss. Why? Because we are simply not good enough. Our kids are not guns we are still blue collar with the exception of Goodes. Having said that I don't think the umpires are ever on our side and we get penalised heavily.

[Nico]

As I said before, it's not about getting plenty of touches. If I was Roos, Malceski getting 40 touches a game would mean jack all to me. If he had 20 disposals, and 15 of them were contested, he kicked with penetration, tackled and chased, just played like a terrier out there, that would be far more convincing an effort. I agree that the problem is above the head. So you don't just say, "Mal, go back to the ressies and find some touch by playing the same way you already are but against easier opposition", it's "Mal, go back to the ressies and start doing this, this, and this, and once you're doing that we'll see if you can do it against the big boys".

As for Moore, I think it's the opposite. He's doing all the physical things right, his contested work has been fantastic, he's just not getting into the right positions and finding the ball. If Moore could go back to the reserves and do what Mal would do naturally, and Mal could go back to the reserves and do what Moore would do naturally, that would be a perfect result.

Therein lies the problem. If you are not getting the pill then what is the point of being out there. Neither of these 2 players work at all off the ball and both just don't chase.

[connolly]

Drop those 3 you mentioned. 3 "kids" in at once could not possibly do any worse than that trio did today.

Nico it was obvious to us rank amateurs on this site that Malceski should have been dropped for this game. We are playing a nothing game plan at the m,oment. We are very weak at the contested ball with a game plan that relies on winning contested ball at stoppages and breakdowns. Apart from Kirk and J Bolton we are just not physically strong enough in the packs. Look at the midfield we had against the Hawks:
Bird - good young player but still only a kid and can't be expected to muscle up in the clinches;
McVeigh - one dimensional purely outside midfielder. Very good in the open but just gets pushed to the fringes of the contest;
O'Keefe - is a completely left sided player. Every coach in the comp knows he will turn to his left and they tag him on his left side. His one footedness possible cost us a grand final for gods sake and he has done nothing to rectify his predictability. He has to begin to either kick on the right or handpass on the right otherwise he should be shunted back to his forward flank;
Malceski - just shouldnt be playing senior football and is so weak at the contest a light vespa would bowl him over;
Buchanon - used to be our clean away man, but is just a yard slower than when he won us a grand final. Great litle player when he is motoring but he needs back up desperately.
Crouch - should be able to be thrown into the midfield but at 31 what is the point? He was beaten three times in four contests by Cyril (before George Pell's prayers were answered and a papal hamstring intervened). He almost took the first overhead mark of his career when the Bevantor gave him a pinpointer but he dropped it. Mr Consistency should be superannuated to the reserves and young Brabazon brought in to tag to help him learn the game.

We have try something in experimentation. Some suggestions:
Bring in the kids for sure. Vespremi, Smith, Thornton (Christ wouldn't he have done a better job than Malceski????) Braba and Pyke. Play Bevo as a defensive midfielder in and at the ball. Just instruct him to handpass, tunnell ball, punch or whatever the thing to McVeigh. Play Pike as a ruck rover at the centre bounces in conjunction with White. Leave OKeefe in the midfield and play Thornton (who can really mark) on the flank. Play Vespremi as an outside midfielder/forward. With this experimentation we would have a tougher, harder, quicker midfield. Would we be beaten probably but it would be better than the god awful bland soft football Roos is dishing up at the moment.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Indicative of how Malceski is going was when he received a hand ball on the HBF in traffic but had space to deliver by foot. He actually was very tentive even to drop it to boot, did a pussy little stab that was smothered, turned over for a goal. A very weak effort. He is stuggling to kick more than 20 metres on the very rare occasion he gets the footy.

You do have to wonder if his bionic knee is not so bionic after all & is giving his problems we aren't hearing about. I have nothing to prove this assertion with. Just a hunch really.

JF

[liz]

McVeigh - one dimensional purely outside midfielder. Very good in the open but just gets pushed to the fringes of the contest;

You lost me at that point. Some of McVeigh's best work is done in very heavy traffic, either in the middle or in front of goal, when he is able to read the drop of the ball and weave into space. Agree that he doesn't have the physical strength of a Goodes or a Judd to barge through traffic when he can't weave, but that doesn't make him an outside player.