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  • connolly
    Registered User
    • Aug 2005
    • 2461

    #16
    Originally posted by woo
    I am not basing my thoughts on todays game only..he is consistanty average, and below average...

    his mistakes are always costly and timely...
    And how do you assess his performance in stopping Jones? His opponent after half time??
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    • connolly
      Registered User
      • Aug 2005
      • 2461

      #17
      Originally posted by ScottH
      He wasn't alone, but at least two blinding errors led to goals today.

      One was the handball in the middle of the ground.
      The other was when he had a player metres in the clear waited, waited, then kicked it straight to a blue and white jumper.
      What you mean is two clangers led to turnovers after which goals were kicked further down the ground. Both turnovers were near the centre of the ground. So the Kanga kicked it from the centre square after Barlow was dispossed from a hospital handpass? The handball went into our side of the centre square!
      The kick went onto the wing. Bit of a stretch.
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      • connolly
        Registered User
        • Aug 2005
        • 2461

        #18
        Originally posted by Bloody Hell
        And he tried to take out C Bolton in the last few minutes of the game....no awareness
        Thank christ he did. Otherwise St Bolton would have been outmarked again. His opponent took 10 marks.
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        • Bloody Hell
          Senior Player
          • Oct 2006
          • 3085

          #19
          Originally posted by connolly
          And how do you assess his performance in stopping Jones? His opponent after half time??
          You can't ignore facets of his game and laud others. Either he's on the field or he's not.
          The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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          • connolly
            Registered User
            • Aug 2005
            • 2461

            #20
            Originally posted by Bloody Hell
            Either he's on the field or he's not.
            You've stumped me there. But the point is his opponent didn't kick a goal after being their most dangerous forward after the Bevanator was moved onto him. Jones had kicked three goals in the second quarter. Admittedly Hale had kicked 4 behinds. Bevo quietened their most dangerous forward. Job well done.
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            • Lohengrin
              On the Rookie List
              • Jul 2008
              • 641

              #21
              Would you just shut up for a change!

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              • ScottH
                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                • Sep 2003
                • 23665

                #22
                Originally posted by connolly
                What you mean is two clangers led to turnovers after which goals were kicked further down the ground. Both turnovers were near the centre of the ground. So the Kanga kicked it from the centre square after Barlow was dispossed from a hospital handpass? The handball went into our side of the centre square!
                The kick went onto the wing. Bit of a stretch.
                Originally posted by connolly
                Thank christ he did. Otherwise St Bolton would have been outmarked again. His opponent took 10 marks.
                Yes, that is a bit of a stretch.

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                • Bloody Hell
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3085

                  #23
                  Originally posted by connolly
                  You've stumped me there. But the point is his opponent didn't kick a goal after being their most dangerous forward after the Bevanator was moved onto him. Jones had kicked three goals in the second quarter. Admittedly Hale had kicked 4 behinds. Bevo quietened their most dangerous forward. Job well done.
                  The point you're missing is when people are critical of Bevan, it's not for his defensive work. It's for:

                  1. Bad Disposal
                  2. Lack of awareness
                  3. Bad/slow decision making
                  4. giving away stupid free kicks.
                  and occasionally 5. going in too hard when not required.
                  The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                  • giant
                    Veterans List
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 4731

                    #24
                    Originally posted by ugg
                    Don't forget the reckless high tackle on Swallow
                    And don't forget the missed shot 20m out straight in front...

                    Having a tough time atm is Bevo.

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                    • BSA5
                      Senior Player
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 2522

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                      The point you're missing is when people are critical of Bevan, it's not for his defensive work. It's for:

                      1. Bad Disposal
                      2. Lack of awareness
                      3. Bad/slow decision making
                      4. giving away stupid free kicks.
                      and occasionally 5. going in too hard when not required.
                      I would say 1-3 are the same things. His bad disposal is a result of poor decision making (actual technically poor kicks aren't that common with Bevo), which is due to lack of awareness.
                      Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                      • Chookbilly
                        Sniffing out the pill
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 393

                        #26
                        I'd say if we can trade Bevan at seasons end for a half eaten chicken sandwich, we've done pretty well for ourselves.
                        Ed Considine's day out - Round 3, 16th April 1995.
                        11 Kicks, 13 Handballs, 8 Marks, 1 Goal, 1 Behind, 1 Tackle, 1 Hitout, 3 Brownlow votes (his only votes)
                        Ed = God

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                        • stellation
                          scott names the planets
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 9718

                          #27
                          Originally posted by connolly
                          You've stumped me there. But the point is his opponent didn't kick a goal after being their most dangerous forward after the Bevanator was moved onto him. Jones had kicked three goals in the second quarter. Admittedly Hale had kicked 4 behinds. Bevo quietened their most dangerous forward. Job well done.
                          I have to ask; Bevo's had a game or two this season where his opponent has kicked 4 and you won't hear boo about that being a reflection on Bevo's performance in the game- are you now saying that the goals scored by a forward do directly reflect the performance of his defender?
                          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                          • Bear
                            Best and Fairest
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 1022

                            #28
                            Originally posted by woo
                            I am not basing my thoughts on todays game only..he is consistanty average, and below average...

                            his mistakes are always costly and timely...
                            That probably sums it up nicely in simple terms.

                            His game against North was ok by the below average standards of 42. Not one of his worst.

                            He will look at his stats and think - gee I played ok, got some kicks, some marks. Some "stats" as one or two like to point out on RWO in defence of 42.

                            Yes, he does link up ok with team mates in uncontested runs out of defence... most of these kicks and handballs are reasonable even though there's a training drill level of pressure. He gets stats because the opposition forwards have already zoned off and left him and 2-3 other Swans to play kick to kick with themselves as they try to run the ball sideways then out of defence. That is where Bavan gets his easy stats. A mule could get those stats.

                            But what he won't understand is why he loses the critical 1% one-on-one battles that end up costing goals.

                            He, and this coaching group don't seem to be working on the more critical problems that occurr with 42 virtually every week...

                            The fact that he stood 2-3m from his man in a stoppage on the wing and allowed him to get an easy disposal off to his team mate running past and create another easy forward entry, or, because he can't watch the ball and his man in defence he was too slow off the mark and allowed the opponent an uncontested mark on a forward lead from an average kick, or, when he flew to punch a pack ball he was never going to reach and left his man unattented on the ground to get the spillage and create a goal... it goes on and on.

                            I think we really miss the incomparable defensive hardness of Ross Lyon who would have pointed these things out to 42 once he saw more of him at senior level. I don't think it would have helped much though, other than influencing Roos to delist him.
                            No other team would have 42 on their list so no hope for a trade.... even for a half-eaten sandwich.

                            I'm not going to mention the obvious howlers that 42 contributes most games.
                            Lol, could you imagine a season highlight reel of those at the B&F?!? Can anyone think of a tune to go with it??
                            Last edited by Bear; 6 July 2009, 10:10 AM.
                            "As a player he simply should not have been able to do the things he did. Leo was a 185cm, 88kg full-back and played on some of the biggest, fastest and best full-forwards of all time, and constantly beat them." Roos.
                            Leo Barry? you star! We'll miss ya, ''Leapin''.

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                            • Donners
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1061

                              #29
                              Originally posted by connolly
                              Woo ??? it is really simple. He played on the forward line in the first half and did well. He was switched onto Cory Jones (he plays for the team in the blue and white) our opposition today. You see Corey had kicked three goals. Thats through the big posts. They got six points for those. And the coach switched Bevo onto Jones after half time. And son you know how many goals Jones kicked after half time when Bevo was playing on him as a defender? Well son actually none. And most coaches would be pretty chuffed with that. Thank mum for the din dins when she tucks you in tonight. Its bed time.

                              Bevan is certainly familiar with those. He can find them from 25 metres out.

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                              • Hazcam
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 324

                                #30
                                Originally posted by connolly
                                Possibly the most inane post of the season. And thats quite an acheivement.
                                lol. I was lazy.

                                He frustrates me to death. Probably moreso than LRT.

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