Hall Quits

[pinkemu]

Obviously I agree with Kelly
Sad that there aren't more here who agree with Kells & I

Interested to hear those who have all been so elated to rid the team of Hall come out and pick through Kelly's points and disagree with what he's saying

I agree with you CTS (and captain courageous). Minority Rules!!

Count me in

[annew]

I agree with Kelly, and I never thought he should have been let go. I still say what he did to Staker was never forgiven, by either the Swans, the media or the umpires the other incidences happen with other players week in and week out and never get the scrutiny. After the Staker incident Hall only had to look at a player to be scrutinised. Maybe it was a financial decision, cos as I said last week it was very dismal in the chairman's lunch last week and I felt then the doom and gloom was over the top. Maybe sponsors were threatening to pull out if Hall stayed cos let's be honest the corporate world seems to be using the global financial situation to rid themselves of employees etc etc. If there are no big players to go after the Swans will save heaps on his salary too.

[Nico]

Regardless of what may or may not have happened behind the scenes and what clauses may have been added to his contract, I think the right decision was made and his value to the club in the short term that he would have been there, was minimal and marginal at best.

It does appear that the culb said enough is enough. I like everyone thank him for his contribution to us winning a flag

He can be sad and remorseful and brought to tears, but after all, he brought it upon himself. After each of his incidents he was remoreseful but they continued to be hollow words.

[ScottH]

Often employees who have been badly treated or victimized presnt as having being releived that the nightmare is over. If a person is being humiliated they naturally want it to end. And this is indicative of what? Can anyone seriously suggest after what they saw yesterday that Hall left of his free will?

Do you have any evidence (hard facts) otherwise?

[sprite]

Interested to hear those who have all been so elated to rid the team of Hall come out and pick through Kelly's points and disagree with what he's saying

I'm not elated to see Bazza go, but I'll go through Kells' points:

"I don't really know the circumstances (behind the decision). I don't know what the club's plans are or whether they pushed him. But I am disappointed they did not try harder to keep him."
He admits that he doesn't know the facts - just as we all don't. But let's not let that get in the way of a good story.

"Someone's going to pick him up," he said. "Looking from where I am, Hally's got a fair bit of footy left in him. I'm sure he can go to a team that maybe is looking for a good forward to prop them up for a couple of seasons."

Perhaps Bazz looked at the options: Sydney - finishing a career at a struggling club which is now in rebuild phase (smells a bit like Kennelly scenario and I'm sure Connolly will enjoy that one).

Seek an opportunity at a club that has a chance of success (Doggies seem to be the only club in the frame)and finish his career there. Go out a winner.

"Kelly, a four-time club best and fairest winner, said the club should have offered Hall an incentive-based contract for next year, with clauses that would have penalised him for on-field indiscretions".

"I would have thought the Swannies would have said, 'Look, mate, you have been undisciplined, you have let us down and if you don't play, you don't get paid'," Kelly said

Perhaps this may have been raised and Bazz rejected the idea, as he, himself admits couldn't guarantee not to have another brain snap, which could ultimately leave him harshly penalised.

At the end of the day, I feel that Bazz has been subjected to an unreasonable scrutiny and trial by the PC media and now they have got their wish.

Thanks for the memories Big Fella.

[GoBloods]

i think yesterdays lap of honour by barry caught the club unaware.....they gave barry a TOKEN lap of honour but i guess they believed that the public would be siding with the club...Wrong . the emotion displayed yesterday , i think proves that the fans want Barry to remain a swan , at least to the end of the year.
is a @@@@e decision made by the club to push barry now .
a great player for the swans , who unfortunately was pushed into retirement.

James Hird spent the best $20k of all time by giving umpire mcclaren a bake on the afl footy show....every game mcclaren umpired essendon after that bake , well you would have thought mcclaren was an essendon life member.
Roosy has stated earlier this year that well they met with the head of umpires , that all parties agreed that Hall was umpired differently from other players .
Well after the Hawthorn game ,maybe Roos or Colless should have come out and stood up for Hall , the rest of the senior players and the Club and made a stand against the afl and the way hall is continously umpired by a different set of rules. MAKE a statement in the media and spend $20, it worked for essendon.
ever since the staker incident , Hall has been manned by 2 opposing players , who take free shots at him and deliberatley niggle him ( knowing that they wont get penalised by the umpires ) and knowing if Barry retaliates they would win a free kick....its wrong and the club should have stood up for their man

[Nico]

i think yesterdays lap of honour by barry caught the club unaware.....they gave barry a TOKEN lap of honour but i guess they believed that the public would be siding with the club...Wrong . the emotion displayed yesterday , i think proves that the fans want Barry to remain a swan , at least to the end of the year.
is a @@@@e decision made by the club to push barry now .
a great player for the swans , who unfortunately was pushed into retirement.

James Hird spent the best $20k of all time by giving umpire mcclaren a bake on the afl footy show....every game mcclaren umpired essendon after that bake , well you would have thought mcclaren was an essendon life member.
Roosy has stated earlier this year that well they met with the head of umpires , that all parties agreed that Hall was umpired differently from other players .
Well after the Hawthorn game ,maybe Roos or Colless should have come out and stood up for Hall , the rest of the senior players and the Club and made a stand against the afl and the way hall is continously umpired by a different set of rules. MAKE a statement in the media and spend $20, it worked for essendon.
ever since the staker incident , Hall has been manned by 2 opposing players , who take free shots at him and deliberatley niggle him ( knowing that they wont get penalised by the umpires ) and knowing if Barry retaliates they would win a free kick....its wrong and the club should have stood up for their man

But he hit Rutten when he was on the ground and in no position to defend himself with the umpire 5 metres away, and he appeared to look up towards the umpire before he threw the punch, after a supposed inocuous elbow to the ribs. That action is completely indefensible. Did he not know that the game was also being televised.

[erica]

Barry has appeared, to me, to be attempting to deal honestly with his inability to control his fists on the footy ground. He's never said categorically that he wouldn't promise it wouldn't happen again - that's showing an awareness of himself.

Good on you Barry - I'll miss your attacking way of playing. Every team needs a bit of the mongrel. I teared up yesterday when he came by the Brewongle for a standing ovation. I hope it all works out for him.

[pinkemu]

But he hit Rutten when he was on the ground and in no position to defend himself with the umpire 5 metres away, and he appeared to look up towards the umpire before he threw the punch, after a supposed inocuous elbow to the ribs. That action is completely indefensible. Did he not know that the game was also being televised.

Wasn't much in the hit from Hall either.
Rutten's guilty of provoking.

By the way the elbow was directed towards Barry's head.

[Nico]

Wasn't much in the hit from Hall either.
Rutten's guilty of provoking.

By the way the elbow was directed towards Barry's head.

But that sort of stuff goes on in every game, and our players shrug off players regularly, and players don't line up another players jaw when they are not looking. Regardless of how hard the hit was it was deliberate and stupid and with his record 2 weeks was a generous result.

The Wakelin hit wasn't that hard either but as Wakelin said on radio last week, it wasn't just an air punch to scare him, it made clear connection and for the rest of the game he was on his guard waiting for the next one.

[pinkemu]

But that sort of stuff goes on in every game, and our players shrug off players regularly, and players don't line up another players jaw when they are not looking. Regardless of how hard the hit was it was deliberate and stupid and with his record 2 weeks was a generous result.

The Wakelin hit wasn't that hard either but as Wakelin said on radio last week, it wasn't just an air punch to scare him, it made clear connection and for the rest of the game he was on his guard waiting for the next one.

Barry wasn't looking either. It's the same thing but for the fact that Barry's connected

[Nico]

Barry wasn't looking either. It's the same thing but for the fact that Barry's connected

Barry wasn't looking! What a load of bulldust. Just like he wasn't looking at Staker.

[Lohengrin]

But that sort of stuff goes on in every game, and our players shrug off players regularly, and players don't line up another players jaw when they are not looking. Regardless of how hard the hit was it was deliberate and stupid and with his record 2 weeks was a generous result.

Exactly. That people can actually point the blame at Rutten and think that Rutten deserves weeks is embarrassing (and you can see why people say Sydney fans have no idea with comments like that).

[connolly]

I'm not elated to see Bazza go, but I'll go through Kells' points:

"I don't really know the circumstances (behind the decision). I don't know what the club's plans are or whether they pushed him. But I am disappointed they did not try harder to keep him."
He admits that he doesn't know the facts - just as we all don't. But let's not let that get in the way of a good story.

"Someone's going to pick him up," he said. "Looking from where I am, Hally's got a fair bit of footy left in him. I'm sure he can go to a team that maybe is looking for a good forward to prop them up for a couple of seasons."

Perhaps Bazz looked at the options: Sydney - finishing a career at a struggling club which is now in rebuild phase (smells a bit like Kennelly scenario and I'm sure Connolly will enjoy that one).

Seek an opportunity at a club that has a chance of success (Doggies seem to be the only club in the frame)and finish his career there. Go out a winner.

"Kelly, a four-time club best and fairest winner, said the club should have offered Hall an incentive-based contract for next year, with clauses that would have penalised him for on-field indiscretions".

"I would have thought the Swannies would have said, 'Look, mate, you have been undisciplined, you have let us down and if you don't play, you don't get paid'," Kelly said

Perhaps this may have been raised and Bazz rejected the idea, as he, himself admits couldn't guarantee not to have another brain snap, which could ultimately leave him harshly penalised.

At the end of the day, I feel that Bazz has been subjected to an unreasonable scrutiny and trial by the PC media and now they have got their wish.

Thanks for the memories Big Fella.

Where does Kelly say he doesn't know the facts? He says he doesn't know the circumstances behind the decision. We all know the facts. A champion player has resigned from the club after public criticism by his coach, captain and tem mate. The media was used by Roos and Colless to pressure Hall into leaving. Initially i thought it might be to make room for a marquee forward under the cap. Apparently not. Just as Capper was sold off to Brisbane to assist a disastrous bottom line maybe Hall has been shown the door for the same reason. This story isn't over by a long strech yet sport. Time will tell.

[connolly]

The Wakelin hit wasn't that hard either but as Wakelin said on radio last week, it wasn't just an air punch to scare him, it made clear connection and for the rest of the game he was on his guard waiting for the next one.

Nico please. The evidence of Wakelin. Why doesn't Wakelin tell us the whole story. Just what were Malthouse's instructions in regard to Hall? Was he instructed to niggle? Instructed to provoke? Not only are instructions like that from a coach against the rules they should lead to coaches who use provocation being rubbed out as should the provoker and the rertaliator. Even in criminal law provocation is admitted as a mitigating factor in the imposition of sentencing. In murder it is a partial defence. Not apparently in regard to B Hall. The sheer hypocracy of Wakelin whinging about one whistling past his whiskers. Dog.