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  • Bloody Hell
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2006
    • 3085

    Changing of the Guard

    If, as Roos intimates, the Swans are going to adopt a youth policy - which of the Senior players will become familiar with the road to Canberra?

    THE 2009 LIST
    1 Barry Hall
    2 Rhyce Shaw
    3 Jarrad McVeigh
    4 Dan Hannebery
    5 Ryan O'Keefe
    6 Craig Bolton
    7 Brett Meredith
    8 Daniel O'Keefe
    9 Nick Malceski
    10 Daniel Currie
    11 Eddie Barlow
    12
    13 Patrick Veszpremi
    14 Craig Bird
    15 Keiran Jack
    16 Darren Jolly
    17
    18 Jesse White
    19 Michael O'Loughlin
    20 Luke Ablett
    21 Leo Barry
    22 Matthew Laidlaw
    23 Lewis Johnston
    24 Jude Bolton
    25 Ted Richards
    26 Henry Playfair
    27 Kristin Thornton
    28 Jared Crouch
    29 Martin Mattner
    30 Lewis Roberts-Thomson
    31 Brett Kirk
    32 Amon Buchanan
    33 Jarred Moore
    34 Ryan Brabazon
    35 Heath Campbell
    36 Tim Schmidt
    37 Adam Goodes
    38 Brett Meredith
    39 Heath Grundy
    40 Nick Smith
    41 Brendan Murphy
    42 Paul Bevan
    43 Matthew O'Dwyer
    44 Jake Orreal
    The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.
  • Goal Sneak
    Out of Bounds on the Full
    • Jun 2006
    • 653

    #2
    Alot of the senior players are still performing. Do we consider Malceski and Ted as being senior? If so, I would not have a problem with those two gone in order to get some experience into some kids. Others who could go include Crouch, Buchanan and Ablett. I'm not sure what to do with Leo if gets himself fit. Maybe give him a one-off run in Sydney to give him a proper send off.

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    • Bloody Hell
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2006
      • 3085

      #3
      The thing that gets me about this is there are an obvious 3-4 who would be dropped for the youth policy, but maybe 6-7 that I'd like to see playing (when fit).

      Will be interesting if they take the easy option or drop some people who maybe don't deserve it for the sake of youth.
      The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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      • jono2707
        Goes up to 11
        • Oct 2007
        • 3326

        #4
        Ted does not deserve to be dropped, nor will he be dropped.

        Ablett and Crouch are most likely to go at the end of the year, to add to the loss of Hall & O'Loughlin. Leo will probably go too barring a miracle. With 3 others going before the season even started, not too sure how many we will actually have to drop off the list at the end of the season?

        Perhaps Ablett and Buchanan will get traded or allowed to go elsewhere?

        Unfortunately due to injuries the door isnt being bashed down by an onslaught of youngsters ready to break into the team....

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        • Lohengrin
          On the Rookie List
          • Jul 2008
          • 641

          #5
          I think these are the senior players and the ones in bold should or will go by the end of the year.

          Originally posted by Bloody Hell
          1 Barry Hall
          2 Rhyce Shaw
          5 Ryan O'Keefe
          6 Craig Bolton
          16 Darren Jolly
          19 Michael O'Loughlin
          20 Luke Ablett
          21 Leo Barry

          24 Jude Bolton
          28 Jared Crouch
          29 Martin Mattner
          30 Lewis Roberts-Thomson
          31 Brett Kirk
          32 Amon Buchanan
          37 Adam Goodes
          42 Paul Bevan

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          • UglyDuckling
            On the Rookie List
            • Aug 2008
            • 452

            #6
            Making the trip to the nations capital for the rest of the year should be malcheski ablett crouch buchannan

            i would be happy for all those guys to go at the end of the year except malcheski he deserves another year to try and regain the form of 07.

            Delisting for the end of year should be
            Hall
            O'Loughin
            Barry
            Crouch
            Fosdike
            Kennelley
            Ablett
            playfair

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            • 2005
              : IN THE OUTER :
              • Dec 2007
              • 604

              #7
              Originally posted by Lohengrin
              I think these are the senior players and the ones in bold should or will go by the end of the year.
              I rekon you can add :
              Henry Playfair @ Daniel Okeefe and we are nearly there.
              Still think Monty has some sought of value to us.
              Est 1874
              SMFC
              09.18.33.2005

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              • DST
                The voice of reason!
                • Jan 2003
                • 2705

                #8
                Originally posted by 2005
                I rekon you can add :
                Henry Playfair @ Daniel Okeefe and we are nearly there.
                Still think Monty has some sought of value to us.
                With our forward cupboard thin at best, Playfair will play on if his hamstring allows him but that is 50/50 at best.

                There is not a chance in hell that DOK will be punted this year when you have the likes of Brabazon and O'Dwyer still on the list and we are very unlikely to see us cut take 7 in the draft which is thin this year.

                We are more likely to take 5 and the following spots are already available:

                Hall
                Magic
                Leo
                Fosdike
                Kenelly
                Crouch

                With Ablett looking shaky due to constant injury and Bucky due to form, but both are likely to be retained due to the need for some sort of experience on the list.

                DST
                "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                • Bloody Hell
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3085

                  #9
                  I think Crouch is in the mix, but I don't think he's a gimme for retirement.
                  The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                  • Lohengrin
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 641

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 2005
                    I rekon you can add :
                    Henry Playfair @ Daniel Okeefe and we are nearly there.
                    Still think Monty has some sought of value to us.
                    I was just talking about senior players. Unfortunately I see little value for a rebuilding Swans from Buchanan.

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                    • 10Totti10
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 443

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                      If, as Roos intimates, the Swans are going to adopt a youth policy - which of the Senior players will become familiar with the road to Canberra?

                      THE 2009 LIST
                      1 Barry Hall
                      2 Rhyce Shaw
                      3 Jarrad McVeigh
                      4 Dan Hannebery
                      5 Ryan O'Keefe
                      6 Craig Bolton
                      7 Brett Meredith
                      8 Daniel O'Keefe
                      9 Nick Malceski
                      10 Daniel Currie
                      11 Eddie Barlow
                      12
                      13 Patrick Veszpremi
                      14 Craig Bird
                      15 Keiran Jack
                      16 Darren Jolly
                      17
                      18 Jesse White
                      19 Michael O'Loughlin
                      20 Luke Ablett
                      21 Leo Barry
                      22 Matthew Laidlaw
                      23 Lewis Johnston
                      24 Jude Bolton
                      25 Ted Richards
                      26 Henry Playfair
                      27 Kristin Thornton
                      28 Jared Crouch
                      29 Martin Mattner
                      30 Lewis Roberts-Thomson
                      31 Brett Kirk
                      32 Amon Buchanan
                      33 Jarred Moore
                      34 Ryan Brabazon
                      35 Heath Campbell
                      36 Tim Schmidt
                      37 Adam Goodes
                      38 Brett Meredith
                      39 Heath Grundy
                      40 Nick Smith
                      41 Brendan Murphy
                      42 Paul Bevan
                      43 Matthew O'Dwyer
                      44
                      The highlighted players will leave at the end of the year.

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16794

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DST
                        With our forward cupboard thin at best, Playfair will play on if his hamstring allows him but that is 50/50 at best.

                        There is not a chance in hell that DOK will be punted this year when you have the likes of Brabazon and O'Dwyer still on the list and we are very unlikely to see us cut take 7 in the draft which is thin this year.

                        We are more likely to take 5 and the following spots are already available:

                        Hall
                        Magic
                        Leo
                        Fosdike
                        Kenelly
                        Crouch

                        With Ablett looking shaky due to constant injury and Bucky due to form, but both are likely to be retained due to the need for some sort of experience on the list.

                        DST
                        Agree with you on DOK completely. He's just starting to get some footy into his legs after two frustrating years and he's showing a bit.

                        In terms of other delistings / retirements, you need to factor in rookie elevations as well to determine number of draft picks. Murphy almost has to be promoted (especially if they want to keep Orreal as a 3rd year rookie), while cases can also be mounted for promoting Pyke, Thornton and Gilly too (if he wasn't so skinny I reckon he'd be close to ready for senior footy right now).

                        Originally posted by Lohengrin
                        I was just talking about senior players. Unfortunately I see little value for a rebuilding Swans from Buchanan.
                        Disagree on Monty. We are really light on in terms of players in that 24-26 age bracket and we're already going to lose a huge amount of experience over the next two years (much of it this year). Watching Monty on Saturday, he was clearly oodles of class and ability above practically every single one of the "play the kids" kids he was alongside. Of the multitide of smaller running players in the reserves team this week, the only one I believe will ever come close to Monty's level is Hannebury - and that includes the likes of Schmidt and Moore, as well as DOK, Brabazon, MOD, Gordon, Thornton. That doesn't mean some of those mightn't become decent players but they have shown no signs of Monty's creativity or skill.

                        Yes, I know he hasn't shown it for the last two seasons, but he is proven at senior level. Maybe he needs a kick up the backside to improve his fitness to its 2005-6 levels. Maybe a serious of niggling injuries has stopped him getting back to that level. But I see absolutely no point in punting him for the sake of it, nor giving him away. If someone offered a second round draft pick, maybe, but can't see the point in losing him otherwise.

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                        • chalbilto
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 1139

                          #13
                          I think that you are close to the mark. I wouldn't be disappointed if this lot went and I am still quietly optimistic with the young brigade we have together with a couple of the scholarship players.

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                          • Midfield
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 196

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lohengrin
                            I was just talking about senior players. Unfortunately I see little value for a rebuilding Swans from Buchanan.
                            Except for teaching the younger players how to play football. I appreciate your unfortunately, but he has to be about the best player in the country playing 2?s.

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                            • Lohengrin
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 641

                              #15
                              Originally posted by liz
                              Disagree on Monty. We are really light on in terms of players in that 24-26 age bracket and we're already going to lose a huge amount of experience over the next two years (much of it this year). Watching Monty on Saturday, he was clearly oodles of class and ability above practically every single one of the "play the kids" kids he was alongside. Of the multitide of smaller running players in the reserves team this week, the only one I believe will ever come close to Monty's level is Hannebury - and that includes the likes of Schmidt and Moore, as well as DOK, Brabazon, MOD, Gordon, Thornton. That doesn't mean some of those mightn't become decent players but they have shown no signs of Monty's creativity or skill.

                              Yes, I know he hasn't shown it for the last two seasons, but he is proven at senior level. Maybe he needs a kick up the backside to improve his fitness to its 2005-6 levels. Maybe a serious of niggling injuries has stopped him getting back to that level. But I see absolutely no point in punting him for the sake of it, nor giving him away. If someone offered a second round draft pick, maybe, but can't see the point in losing him otherwise.
                              You're possibly right there, but jeez he needs to get his act into gear.

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