Hall on MMM

[ROK Lobster]

IMO Kirk and Roos are both pretty ordinary people. I have been saying it for years. I stand by it.

[CureTheSane]

Magnificent.

Oh, I get it.
You're implying that I worship Hall.

I didn't get it because it's so far off the mark it's not funny.
Hall is a footy player.
I don't know him from a bar of soap.
Mine is simply my interpretation of how the club have treated a player.
They only extenuating circumstance is that he is also a premiership coach.

I'd have no problem with the club agreeing to dump him, so long as they had done it in a more tactful way.

The way it came off was "Look at us, THE SWANS. We fix players, we take them out of Melbourne and make them better than they have been before. Oh, - but if we want to get rid of them , we'll do it without ant tact of thought"

Persoanlly, I have thought for a long time that the team was more effective all around without a key FF.
That goes back to the Plugger days as well.
Hall was worth his weight in gold in attracting a couple of the best opposition defenders, and we could have blitzed more often if we had figured out how to use other players to kick goals, rather than continually kick it to Hall with a couple of players on him.
Towards the end Hall found it hard to take a contested mark, his leading left a bit to be desired and he tended to mark the ball either too far out or on a tight angle.

So to that point, your irony is wasted I'm afraid.

[CureTheSane]

IMO Kirk and Roos are both pretty ordinary people. I have been saying it for years. I stand by it.

I've had my say about Roos in the past (more as the coach leading a team who had an obvious and routine game plan) but in the end he can pretty much do what he wants because he led us to a flag. *insert "CTS worships Roos" comment here*

Never had any problems with Kirk.
Serviceable and a good player, but the whole 'spiritual leader' stuff gets a bit old, and I'm sure the players have a bit of a giggle about it.
Same with Bolton. Never a huge Jude fan, and I never saw where all his possessions came from, but he does his job week in week out. A"digger" for lack of a better term.
Kirk is a "digger" too I guess

[CureTheSane]

I think that is the key word, perception. Like the Davis incident before, we all formed opinions on what we saw, and what we read into what was published/shown by the media.
We, the average punter, will never know what really happened, or what the process was, or why things were said in the media, the way they were.

Not sure, based on that, how we can really scorn Roos, Kirk, or Hall for that matter, on something we are not privvy to.

I'm sure they have some sort of PR/shrink dept to advise on what should and shouldn't be said to the media.

Yeah, but that's why we are here mostly.
To comment on what we interpret.
Whether that be the umpiring decisions, a players ability, a players perceived metal abilities, decision making abilities, life choices, morality, selection choices without knowing the reasons behind them, rotations, game plan, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Can only comment on what we see and interpret unfortunately.

[CureTheSane]

How about the embarrassment he brought on the club?
They stood by him after EVERY infringement yet he continually let himself and his team down and just maybe they got to the stage where enough was enough.

Fair enough.
And if the club had enough, then fair enough also.
But dump him at the end of the season and
1) Get more for him without all the innuendo and drama which lessens his value and
2) don't look like "holier than thou" sooks by whining to the media.

The "whole fiasco" was well and truly in the spotlight before anybody spoke to the media, in fact, it was in the spotlight one millisecond after it happened!
If Hall had learned to keep his hands to himself no-one would have had to SHUT THE HELL UP.

Agree.
Except that the club allowed Hall to make a media appearance without conveying their thoughts to him about his actions.
In that media appearance, he did his usual "I'll work harder and be better" lines and promised to be a good boy etc etc.
Kinda wrong to allow him to think the club had no major issues with him (by allowing him to talk freely) and then come out and poop on him.

[Jewels]

Well, in the end, we all agree to disagree about Hall and how the club has handled it.
I guess that's what makes a forum like this worth reading and the off season more entertaining!

[CureTheSane]

Yep, we interpret it differently.
I will give you that Hall was a tool in repeatedly not being able to control his temper.
People can say what they like about umpires and severity of impact etc, but you tend to come to the conclusion that AFL is no longer for him.

Like I've said before, however, boxing is not about fighting and aggression, but rather, taking a hit and strategy.
In any kind of fight the one who loses is usually the one who fights with emotion rather than strategy.
I'd have grave concerns that Hall will be able to temper his 'explosive nature' when someone is punching him lol

[Lohengrin]

I think that is the key word, perception. Like the Davis incident before, we all formed opinions on what we saw, and what we read into what was published/shown by the media.
We, the average punter, will never know what really happened, or what the process was, or why things were said in the media, the way they were.

Not sure, based on that, how we can really scorn Roos, Kirk, or Hall for that matter, on something we are not privvy to.

I'm sure they have some sort of PR/shrink dept to advise on what should and shouldn't be said to the media.

But talking to the media is about the perception that the public will have, so whatever happened indoors, the perception is not necessarily the same.

[Lohengrin]

No matter what Hall thinks of the situation, the club's coach and captain have the right to come out explain why they saw fit not to see him in our colours again after he hit Rutten.

But coming out and making negative comments about to the media before anything appears to have been decided is poor form.

[T-bag]

Staker was at him and at him off the ball- the umps saw it and did nothing - sure it didnt look good - but Staker was not hurt - if he was, there is no way he would have been running around the boundary like he was from half time onwards at the same game - but the media made a mountain our of a molehill and then the slow demise was underway.

and now - how ironic that they have within weeks of him "retiring" changed the rules to the constant niggling of defenders.

Wardy ease up. You're sounding hysterical

[T-bag]

This is a forum, it's my opinion. If this is a place for posting fact then it's going to be pretty quiet around here.

If you think that snotting blokes, sulking, poor body language and regular tantrums on the park to the detriment of your team mates are the actions of a committed player than good luck to you.

Perhaps you could phone Barry to obtain the "facts" before responding

nice

[Xie Shan]

IMO Kirk and Roos are both pretty ordinary people. I have been saying it for years. I stand by it.

I know you have But I'd still like it known that I'm a great admirer of what they've done for our footy club on and off the field. Not all of what they have done is good, but much of it is good.

[Lucky Knickers]

If Hall is so pissed at the Swans would he be doing this?

To be standing in a guard of honour tomorrow night at the SCG to celebrate the careers of Leo, Mick and Crouchy will be real honour for me. The sad part is I'd much rather be running out there with them for that one last game with my mates. It's disappointing that I won't be able to do that, but a lot has happened this year, and the best I can do tomorrow night is be there to support three great clubmen in their final game.

Hall is a good guy. I'm glad he's going to have a go and try and finish his career off with aplomb.
As ROK states, they are all ordinary blokes sometimes getting it right and sometimes getting wrong.
But in 10, 20, 30 years time, who will care about Hall whacking Staker? Mrs Staker!
I'll just love watching my 2005 boxed set DVD (if they still have them) and loving Kirky, Baz, Roos and the rest of them!

[R&WtilIDie]

So he's PUBLICLY whinging about people PUBLICLY whinging about him?



hmmmm. whatever Baz. That interview pissed me off

[DST]

But coming out and making negative comments about to the media before anything appears to have been decided is poor form.

What negative comments, they were asked by reporters whether they could trust him on the field again and they both said they didn't know and that was worrying them.

Both the coach and captain are the leaders in a football sense at the club, if they want to publicly question a players behaviour on the field and whether they can allow him to take the field again it's their right.

If it came form someone outside of those two and was being heard across the list, then I would have a problem with it.

But it didn't, we handled it well from a club point of view so move on people, just like the club has and now Hall is trying to do by looking to play on one more year.

DST