Hall on MMM

[AnnieH]

If he is he'll get a big hug from me, then I am going to hit him!

Come and get me before you do ... I'll video tape it for prosperity.

[CureTheSane]

I've been waiting for the tempered retaliation from Hall.
And well deserved to the Swans too.
Hall was shafted, regardless of what people here believe.
Hall knew he was hung out to dry, and he handled it better than well.
Swans can take their just deserts and if we end up getting nothing for Hall on the trade table, then that's their karma.

[CureTheSane]

Maybe he had, many times.

Really hard to condemn any of the players involved when you know nothing about what had already been said behind closed doors over the preceding year and a half.

Yes it is.
Really easy to lay judgement.
The Swans should not have condemned Hall publicly, regardless of how many times they had kept it in house prior to that.

Some people will defend their Swans heroes till thy're blue in the face, but in the wash up, it was handled poorly.

[Kirkari]

My 10 cents' worth:
The umpire should have pinged Staker.
Baz should not have whacked him.
The whole series of events is a minor tragedy, especially as Baz seemed to have turned over a new leaf and managed his demons, becoming a valuable role model in the process.
There was no way the incidents were going to be handled behind closed doors; this is the Swans in 2009, not say Carlton a decade ago. The club could not be seen to be endorsing or excusing what Baz did in any way.
Roos and Kirk have every right to feel bitterly disappointed at Baz's regression. And I take note of Mick Malthouse's comment that if people like Roos and Kirk can't get Barry Hall back on track, he himself is not going to try.
He remains one of my favourite Swans and I regret both that he has left and has gone backwards in terms of on-field conduct.
I wish him the best for the future and hope he can play somewhere else and finish his career in a fitting way.
I am saddened by the whole tawdry episode.

Well said.

It's childish to point the finger at the people who hold someone accountable, instead of at that person for their actions. BBB seemed at first to have understood that but perhaps time and some bad advice is starting to swing him the other way. Didn't he say on the Footy Show at the time something like, "Well, I can't trust myself not to do it again." when asked about Kirky saying he (Kirk) couldn't trust him (Bazza)?

[Trickster]

This will always be a divisive issue, however, I think the club underestimated the sentiment towards Hall because when he went to his trip around the ground in the back of the ute - there were over 30,000 people who turned out and stood up and applauded him. they havent had a crowd like that since at the SCG - not even for the St Kilda game.

I agree that he should have got to have one last game in the Red and white just like the other retirees.

No one is blameless here - but I fear that the club cut its nose off to spite its face.

Sorry I like Barry but that crowd was also because Essendon have a huge Sydney fan base and their games get those kind of numbers anyway

[RedRosie]

I only half believe anything I read in the media but after watching his interview on the Footy show again, yes the one where I wanted to cry for him, I felt so sorry for him and then relistening to the radio interview, again completely his own words , I cant help but be a bit angry with him! What a change in tune. I loved him playing for Swans and will hate it when or if another club picks him up so I hope others hear his own words on the radio that he is more interested in watching boxing than footy, and cant go past three rounds due to fitness issues..... I wish him well, in BOXING .

[caj23]

Yes it is.
Some people will defend their Swans heroes till thy're blue in the face, but in the wash up, it was handled poorly.

LOL - does anyone see the irony?

[Chilcott]

I've been waiting for the tempered retaliation from Hall.
And well deserved to the Swans too.
Hall was shafted, regardless of what people here believe.
Hall knew he was hung out to dry, and he handled it better than well.
Swans can take their just deserts and if we end up getting nothing for Hall on the trade table, then that's their karma.

CTS - Hall shafted himself and who hung him out to dry? Not Kirk, not Roos, not the SSFC.

The Swans will take their just deserts and it may well be a young goal kicker in Jesse White. Or it may be a kid we could pick up from the Hawks or Dogs.

And out of interest, what has Hall got to retaliate about?

[sidswan]

Crowd at St Kilda match

I thought crowd was about 31,000, but I could be wrong.

[CureTheSane]

LOL - does anyone see the irony?

What irony?

I'm simply saying that some people will never say a bad word about Roos, Kirk, or other favourite Swans, even when they do the wrong thing.
They are blinded by their hero worship.

[CureTheSane]

CTS - Hall shafted himself and who hung him out to dry? Not Kirk, not Roos, not the SSFC.

The Swans will take their just deserts and it may well be a young goal kicker in Jesse White. Or it may be a kid we could pick up from the Hawks or Dogs.

And out of interest, what has Hall got to retaliate about?

I agree, Hall shafted himself.
He did the wrong thing - numerous times.
I think most will agree on this, even though they will argue the semantic of contact in every instance and umpires etc etc.

Hall is pissed because the Swans came out publicly - well Roos and Kirk did, and spoke out of place, when (as others have said) it should have been kept 'in house'. They embarrassed him, and possibly but a nail in his AFL coffin - never to play again because the club effectively lost respect for him and told everyone so.
There is no 'retaliation'. Simply Halls POV which is only just now starting to come out. He has every right to be pissed off with the club, and should fight to play again.

The Swans put the whole fiasco in the spotlight by talking to the media, I hope they don't come out and sook now that Hall is having his say.
I also hope that the Swans learn to SHUT THE HELL UP and use the line "no comment" as they should have months ago.
They will look silly having a public spat with Hall.

[DST]

No matter what Hall thinks of the situation, the club's coach and captain have the right to come out explain why they saw fit not to see him in our colours again after he hit Rutten.

Interestingly no one else from the club has said anything publicly about the situation or what went on, which to me shows how well the club has handled the situation.

If he wants to play on good on him, but he has no one else but himself to blame for not being in a position where he could have ended his career on his terms, playing for us.

DST

[Jewels]

I'm simply saying that some people will never say a bad word about Roos, Kirk, or other favourite Swans, even when they do the wrong thing.
They are blinded by their hero worship.

The reverse is also true that there are many on here who blame Roos and Kirk for everything and never, ever have a good word to say for them.

Hall is pissed because the Swans came out publicly - well Roos and Kirk did, and spoke out of place, when (as others have said) it should have been kept 'in house'. They embarrassed him, and possibly but a nail in his AFL coffin - never to play again because the club effectively lost respect for him and told everyone so.

How about the embarrassment he brought on the club?
They stood by him after EVERY infringement yet he continually let himself and his team down and just maybe they got to the stage where enough was enough.

There is no 'retaliation'. Simply Halls POV which is only just now starting to come out. He has every right to be pissed off with the club, and should fight to play again.

The Swans put the whole fiasco in the spotlight by talking to the media, I hope they don't come out and sook now that Hall is having his say.
I also hope that the Swans learn to SHUT THE HELL UP and use the line "no comment" as they should have months ago.
They will look silly having a public spat with Hall.

The "whole fiasco" was well and truly in the spotlight before anybody spoke to the media, in fact, it was in the spotlight one millisecond after it happened!
If Hall had learned to keep his hands to himself no-one would have had to SHUT THE HELL UP.

[Bloods05]

What irony?

I'm simply saying that some people will never say a bad word about Roos, Kirk, or other favourite Swans, even when they do the wrong thing.
They are blinded by their hero worship.

Magnificent.

[ScottH]

Possibly a bit of both, possibly one or the other. But the outside perception is that it wasn't managed first and that's the perception that I think they should have managed better.

I think that is the key word, perception. Like the Davis incident before, we all formed opinions on what we saw, and what we read into what was published/shown by the media.
We, the average punter, will never know what really happened, or what the process was, or why things were said in the media, the way they were.

Not sure, based on that, how we can really scorn Roos, Kirk, or Hall for that matter, on something we are not privvy to.

I'm sure they have some sort of PR/shrink dept to advise on what should and shouldn't be said to the media.