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  • UglyDuckling
    On the Rookie List
    • Aug 2008
    • 452

    Originally posted by DST
    Great beleiver in going best available.

    This year outside of Butcher, the top 25 all look to be midfielder/utlility types so it will be two midfielders with picks 6 and 14 (unless Butcher falls to 14 which is highly unlikely).

    Our second pick at 14 will be the interesting one, if there is someone left who is an outside midfielder with heaps of pace that would be handy.

    Our first pick will be on a midfielder who has quality disposa and decsion making skills as we lack depth in this area and modern footy with zones require players who can dispose of the football cleanly.

    DST
    Have a look at Colyer on youtube he is small so he is small so may slide but is super quick and has better endurance than Rohan. He was right up there with all the draft camp testing

    YouTube - afldraftinfo.com - Travis Colyer vs Vic Country - 2009 AFL U18 Championships - July 1st

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    • robamiee
      Regular in the Side
      • Sep 2005
      • 688

      he is quick.
      But 2 probs i can see.
      I would personally like to see our top 2 picks used on players who can pretty much step into the AFl system.
      His size, (he would need ot add another 5-10 kilos just to be able to handle the hits...)
      His endurance (unsure he maybe ok on this)
      and we already have Vez as that crumbing forward...

      but an exciting prospect to say the least....

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      • liz
        Veteran
        Site Admin
        • Jan 2003
        • 16737

        Originally posted by UglyDuckling
        We dont have a great need for a tall our backline is settled and we have White, Johnston and Goodes to do our forward line work.
        Not sure how you can reach that conclusion.

        If we draft a tall now, they are not going to be ready to hold down a key position for at least 3-4 years, by which time Goodes and B2 will be going or gone and LRT will have inched towards veteran status. We might be set for talls in our best 22 for next season but we have practically no depth (apart from our extended rucking division), especially since Murphy has pulled the plug.

        And we have absolutely no idea how Johnstone is going to develop.

        Sounds like they will go for a pure midfielder with the first pick, but after that there is plenty of scope for seeking out some taller players. And a couple of midgets wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - a Coyler or a Hooper maybe.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16737

          Originally posted by robamiee
          he is quick.
          But 2 probs i can see.
          I would personally like to see our top 2 picks used on players who can pretty much step into the AFl system.
          His size, (he would need ot add another 5-10 kilos just to be able to handle the hits...)
          His endurance (unsure he maybe ok on this)
          and we already have Vez as that crumbing forward...

          but an exciting prospect to say the least....
          Vezspremi is not a crumbing forward. If he lands up playing as a forward for much of his career, it will be more as a mid-sized forward, ala Nick Davis. But we really need to hope he can develop the endurance to play much further up the ground. If he can, it will be his delivery into the forward line that will prove to be his greatest asset - long, penetrating, high risk but also highly intelligent kicks.

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          • UglyDuckling
            On the Rookie List
            • Aug 2008
            • 452

            Originally posted by robamiee
            he is quick.
            But 2 probs i can see.
            I would personally like to see our top 2 picks used on players who can pretty much step into the AFl system.
            His size, (he would need ot add another 5-10 kilos just to be able to handle the hits...)
            His endurance (unsure he maybe ok on this)
            and we already have Vez as that crumbing forward...

            but an exciting prospect to say the least....
            He was in the top 10 for the beep test with 14.5

            I think both vez should develop into a midfielder once he gets in endurance up spending time forward and midfield through 2010

            I do agree that he is small, i cant argue with that, but because we have 6 and 14 i think if we have 1 that steps into AFL it would be pretty good. There isnt really a rush and i would rather a better long term player than the excitement of a good first year.

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            • Triple B
              Formerly 'BBB'
              • Feb 2003
              • 6999

              With a disclaimer that I know nothing of Colyer bar that 7 min YouTube clip, but his foot skills looks to be a worry.
              Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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              • UglyDuckling
                On the Rookie List
                • Aug 2008
                • 452

                Originally posted by liz
                Not sure how you can reach that conclusion.

                If we draft a tall now, they are not going to be ready to hold down a key position for at least 3-4 years, by which time Goodes and B2 will be going or gone and LRT will have inched towards veteran status. We might be set for talls in our best 22 for next season but we have practically no depth (apart from our extended rucking division), especially since Murphy has pulled the plug.

                And we have absolutely no idea how Johnstone is going to develop.

                Sounds like they will go for a pure midfielder with the first pick, but after that there is plenty of scope for seeking out some taller players. And a couple of midgets wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - a Coyler or a Hooper maybe.
                I think we are saying the same thing. In the short term there isnt a glaring need to get talls for our backline like Hawthorn have. In the medium term however we need to find some replacements. I totally agree that we have very little depth in talls at the moment.

                However i think you are better served using your early picks for gun mids and using lower picks for tall defenders. Gun midfielders are arguably more valuable and you need a few of them to win a flag; the more the merrier. Not that defenders arnt important because obviously they are.

                There is also a good history of picking up defenders with later picks Brain Lake was #71 Scarlett f/s at 45 and our man Craig was #33 just to name a few.

                Personally i think its a bit of a waste to use an early pick on a defender when we can develop solid ones from further down the draft

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                • AnnieH
                  RWOs Black Sheep
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 11332

                  DRAFT ORDER ....

                  Priority selection
                  1. Melbourne

                  First round
                  2. Melbourne
                  3. Richmond
                  4. Fremantle
                  5. North Melbourne
                  6. Sydney Swans
                  7. West Coast
                  8. Port Adelaide
                  9. Hawthorn
                  10. Essendon
                  11. Melbourne
                  12. Brisbane Lions
                  13. Adelaide
                  14. Collingwood
                  15. Western Bulldogs
                  16. Essendon
                  17. Geelong

                  Second round
                  18. Melbourne
                  19. Richmond
                  20. Fremantle
                  21. North Melbourne
                  22. West Coast
                  23. West Coast
                  24. Port Adelaide
                  25. North Melbourne
                  26. Essendon
                  27. Carlton
                  28. Sydney Swans
                  29. Adelaide
                  30. Collingwood
                  31. Western Bulldogs
                  32. St Kilda
                  33. Geelong

                  Third round
                  34. Melbourne
                  35. Richmond
                  36. Fremantle
                  37. North Melbourne
                  38. Sydney Swans
                  39. Sydney Swans

                  40. Port Adelaide
                  41. North Melbourne
                  42. Essendon
                  43. Carlton
                  44. Richmond
                  45. Adelaide
                  46. Collingwood
                  47. Brisbane Lions
                  48. Fremantle
                  49. Geelong

                  Fourth round
                  50. Melbourne
                  51. Richmond
                  52. Fremantle
                  53. North Melbourne
                  54. Sydney Swans
                  55. West Coast
                  56. Port Adelaide
                  57. Hawthorn
                  58. Essendon
                  59. Carlton
                  60. Brisbane Lions
                  61. Adelaide
                  62. Collingwood
                  63. Western Bulldogs
                  64. St Kilda
                  65. Geelong

                  Fifth round
                  66. Melbourne
                  67. Richmond
                  68. Fremantle
                  69. Hawthorn
                  70. Sydney Swans
                  71. West Coast
                  72. Port Adelaide
                  73. Hawthorn
                  74. Essendon
                  75. Carlton
                  76. Brisbane Lions
                  77. Adelaide
                  78. Collingwood
                  79. Western Bulldogs
                  80. St Kilda
                  81. Geelong
                  Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                  Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                  • robamiee
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 688

                    once you add the 2 collingwood picks in there, it would a while since we seen the swans with so many picks esp at the pointy end...

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                    • UglyDuckling
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 452

                      Originally posted by robamiee
                      once you add the 2 collingwood picks in there, it would a while since we seen the swans with so many picks esp at the pointy end...
                      Trade week isnt over yet the poo's and wee's will try for our second rounder for Kennedy as will Geelong for the big mummy best case scenario is we loose 38 and 39

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                      • robamiee
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 688

                        i would be happy for that and use our 4th rndr for an exp player who ahs nom'd for the draft like coughlan...

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                        • DST
                          The voice of reason!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2705

                          A number of phantom drafts have Collingwood taking at pick 14 Jack Fitzpatrick from the Western Jets.

                          He is a 201 cm KP player who is described as quick for his size and great skills.

                          Interesting as at pick 14 I would think we will cast our attention towards a KP defender just like Collingwood.

                          DST
                          "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                          • UglyDuckling
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 452

                            So we have picks 6,14,38,54,55

                            Good to have 2 first rounders in a weak draft

                            We needs some gun mids with pace and skills and some KP depth

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                            • Hartijon
                              On the Rookie List
                              • May 2008
                              • 1536

                              Originally posted by DST
                              A number of phantom drafts have Collingwood taking at pick 14 Jack Fitzpatrick from the Western Jets.

                              He is a 201 cm KP player who is described as quick for his size and great skills.

                              Interesting as at pick 14 I would think we will cast our attention towards a KP defender just like Collingwood.

                              DST
                              IMO your right but I am not sure the brains trust agrees. If we get Jetta and a KPP it will have been a perfect trade and draft process for the Swans. Now RWO gets so boring after drafting I might sign off soon until the pre-season. A VERY exciting 2010 coming up!Can't wait for our first few games and seeing how our new guys fit in and how much improvement we can get out of our established players.If they got rid of Buchanan surely Ablett won't hold down a position in the 1sts anymore.I think Kennedy and Mc Glynn will give us so much more.

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                              • DST
                                The voice of reason!
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 2705

                                Originally posted by Hartijon
                                IMO your right but I am not sure the brains trust agrees. If we get Jetta and a KPP it will have been a perfect trade and draft process for the Swans. Now RWO gets so boring after drafting I might sign off soon until the pre-season. A VERY exciting 2010 coming up!Can't wait for our first few games and seeing how our new guys fit in and how much improvement we can get out of our established players.If they got rid of Buchanan surely Ablett won't hold down a position in the 1sts anymore.I think Kennedy and Mc Glynn will give us so much more.
                                Sorry, we won't be going for Jetta wih our first pick as Roos is already on the record as saying that a midfielder with great decision making skills and decent disposal and not speed is what we require. That was going to be Dustin Martin but he is now looking likely to go earlier, so it may mean Lucas.

                                If Jetta is available at pick 14 they would have a serious look, but they would be more inclined to go with a KP defender at pick 14 as we are sorely in need of one to groom once C Bolton retires in the next couple of years.

                                DST
                                "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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