Official Delistings

[BSA5]

No way that Schmidt should or will be delisted.

You've got to be fit before you can play. It would be a shame, but I could understand if the coaching staff made the call.

[Captain]

You've got to be fit before you can play. It would be a shame, but I could understand if the coaching staff made the call.

Agree to disagree then. I don't think he will or should be delisted.

[goswannies]

Gone!

sss

[goswannies]

3 more gone...

The Swans have delisted Ryan Brabazon, Matthew Laidlaw, Daniel O'Keefe

[laughingnome]

According to afl.com.au the Swans have delisted...

Daniel O'Keefe
Ryan Brabazon
Matthew Laidlaw

See page one...

[ugg]

DOK to train with the Hawks.

[stellation]

I'd expect DOK to get redrafted, 2 years ago he apparently had quite a few clubs that had noted him down for one of their 2nd/3rd round picks.

He's still young, I don't expect people would have gone that off him.

[Molly dooker]

May I ask, why would we not put Kirky and Goodes on the Veteran's list? I know that the players on the list don't have their salaries calculated, but does it mean that as a player they don't count in the teams #'s? Also, is the Veteran's list limited to 2 players?

[SimonH]

May I ask, why would we not put Kirky and Goodes on the Veteran's list? I know that the players on the list don't have their salaries calculated, but does it mean that as a player they don't count in the teams #'s? Also, is the Veteran's list limited to 2 players?

The short and easy answer is they're not there because we haven't lodged our list yet (we're not obliged to do so 'til 30 October).

Sorry the long answer is so boring, but it just is.

You have 2 choices with your vet-qualifying players: inside veterans, or outside veterans. You nominate which you're going for, when you lodge your team list with the AFL.

The effect on your salary cap is the same, whether inside or outside: the salary paid to your veterans only counts half towards the salary cap. (You can list 3 veterans-- and with JBolt as well, Sydney could do this in 2010-- with the result that each player's salary counts two-thirds towards your salary cap.)

The difference is that outside veterans (and you can only have a maximum of 2) sit 'outside' your 38-man senior squad, i.e. if you have 2 outside veterans, then in effect you have a 40-man senior squad. A big advantage. You only wouldn't list veterans as 'outside veterans', as far as I can tell, because you have salary cap or financial problems (e.g. you can't afford to be paying 40 wages, or can't have 38 full wages plus 2 half-wages counting towards the cap, or you'll tip over the edge).

The only trade-off for listing outside veterans, is that for each outside veteran, that's one less rookie you can take. So for a standard club in a standard year (ignoring the 'special' rookie shenanigans that appear to be constantly evolving) you have a 38-man senior list and up to 6 rookies. If you have 2 outside veterans, that becomes 40 senior players but no more than 4 rookies.

[SimonH]

I reckon we've got one more senior list delistment to go.

Assuming we elevate two players to the veterans list to replace Leo and Magic (probably Kirk and Goodes), that leaves us (before delistments) with 4 list spaces to fill (5 retirements, 3 players traded out, 4 traded in).

Thornton seems a certainty for a rookie-list promotion, and apparently Orreal has signed a 2-year senior list deal.

Given that we traded for pick 55 at the end of the trade period, it's likely we intend to use it (though not certain, we didn't use the pick we got in exchange for Rhyce Shaw last year). Assuming we do use it, that's a total of at least 5 picks we intend to use in this draft. We will also probably want to be active in the PSD. We'll probably leave a spot there. So that's 6 list spots we need, plus two for rookies, for a total of 8.

Talking delistments, we've so far got 3. That leaves 7 spots. One more delistment is necessary, and you'd think it will come down to one of Schmidt or Playfair. My guess is that they're waiting to see how Playfair goes. If he's not up to it, Schmidt stays, if he is, Schmidt goes.

Answered your own question. I can't see us doing further delistings just to make room for the wonder that is pick 55. Pick 55 is just a resource to have in our back pockets if we need it.

If the Swans could by any other means get a 2010 senior squad they were happy with, and only use 3 live picks in the ND, I'm quite sure they'd do so.

[31 hard at it]

Playfair has been given a month to prove his fitness.
Mid November is the deadline.
A 1 year contract if he is ok.

[Molly dooker]

Thanks Simon H, your answer is clear and I understand a lot more now.