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  • Cardinal
    Regular in the Side
    • Sep 2008
    • 932

    #16
    Originally posted by Donners
    Playfair would be a forward option if he can stay fit.
    Originally posted by ScottH
    I reckon that is why we've hung on to him. The lack of experienced forwards.
    Originally posted by Plugger46
    He could be. He'll also lose us matches with his appalling kicking.
    Playfair will be the Kym Beazley of the Swans. Under-appreciated at the time by fans and colleagues alike. But upon reflection he will be considered to be the fundamental glue that held us together while we rebuilt !
    Last edited by Cardinal; 19 October 2009, 10:34 AM.

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    • Swanner
      On the Rookie List
      • Mar 2006
      • 186

      #17
      mids is the prob

      Our forward line is pretty good compared to both doggies, collingwood and geelong. I am not saying better but with goodes down there in particular we could win a premiership next year with this forward line. In my view ditto for the backs although i would really like one more top notch running defender (Kennelly please!).

      Our problem will be untried ruck combination and a midfield full of players either too old or too young. If though McVeigh and Malceski step up and Kennedy really improves ala Shaw/Mattner then we could be very close next year. However i don't see this happening - we need a real ball winner , who breaks the lines and can run like the clappers. The only player who could do this is Goodes and he is getting to old these days. Maybe Jack could really step up - i don't know but someone has too if we are to really threaten the top four. An extra proven small or mid forward would be great - Robbo may help - but i suspect he will be more of a Nick Daffy than a Craig O'Brien.

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      • Plugger46
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2003
        • 3674

        #18
        Originally posted by johnno
        Just as a little side note on this thread, just curious here, what would be a 'realistic' view from the club and fans and Jesse himself for the amount of goals he kicks in 2010? Lets say, hypothetically, he plays all 22 games, and plays them all out of the goalsquare, how many goals for the season would be a pass mark for him? My guess is 50-55 and we should be happy with that. Anything more is a bonus.
        Yeah, I think 50 odd is realistic, given what he showed he could do late in the season. Probably at a similar stage of his development as Kurt Tippet was at the start of the 2009 season.

        Originally posted by Cardinal
        Playfair will be the Kym Beazley of the Swans. Under-appreciated at the time by fans and colleagues alike. But upon reflection he will be cosidered to be the fundamental glue that held us together while we rebuilt !
        He'd want to start doing something then.
        Bloods

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        • swansrob
          Senior Player
          • May 2009
          • 1265

          #19
          Originally posted by johnno
          Just as a little side note on this thread, just curious here, what would be a 'realistic' view from the club and fans and Jesse himself for the amount of goals he kicks in 2010? Lets say, hypothetically, he plays all 22 games, and plays them all out of the goalsquare, how many goals for the season would be a pass mark for him? My guess is 50-55 and we should be happy with that. Anything more is a bonus.
          Yeah, I would say 50, though you have to go back to 2006 for the last time a Swan kicked 50 goals in a season.

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          • snajik
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 1115

            #20
            Originally posted by msb
            How about Russell Robertson for a year or 2? I know he is injury prone but if he can get himself fit, which by all reports he is, then he might be worth a punt to put in the forward pocket.
            I made this suggestion about a week ago and it didn't draw a response either. Still I think it has merit.

            At present our forward line looks passable at best. Neither Johnston or Currie has played a game yet, and White while he has enormous potential is still relatively raw. Playfair who knows? I'm not seeing him as a key part of the forward line, nor that dependable. Worst case scenario - Goodes or White sustains a medium to long term injury. Suddenly it looks ultra-skinny in attack.
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            • jdow
              On the Rookie List
              • Dec 2008
              • 54

              #21
              Originally posted by Donners
              We traded off our good small forwards...
              Who? not sure we have traded anyone "good" maybe servicable

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              • Donners
                On the Rookie List
                • Jan 2003
                • 1061

                #22
                Originally posted by johnno
                Just as a little side note on this thread, just curious here, what would be a 'realistic' view from the club and fans and Jesse himself for the amount of goals he kicks in 2010? Lets say, hypothetically, he plays all 22 games, and plays them all out of the goalsquare, how many goals for the season would be a pass mark for him? My guess is 50-55 and we should be happy with that. Anything more is a bonus.
                Depends on how much support he gets.

                I think a realistic comparison would be with 2000-2001, when O'Loughlin and Goodes were the key forwards. In the former year they had 53 and 40 respectively, in the latter it was 35 and 34.

                I think 40-odd would be about right for White.

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                • Auntie.Gerald
                  Veterans List
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6480

                  #23
                  2009

                  Player G B S
                  Goodes A 38 17 245
                  Hall B 31 13 199
                  O'Loughlin M 24 16 160
                  White J 20 13 133
                  Jolly D 16 12 108
                  "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                  • CJK
                    Human
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 2170

                    #24
                    Think we're really gonna miss Big Jols goals
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                    • Auntie.Gerald
                      Veterans List
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6480

                      #25
                      In 2010 my guess is that we can still obtain 140ish goals from the top 5 players. Interesting that the top 5 goal kickers all came from tall players.......nothing above 16 goals came from a small player at the Swans in 2009

                      Saints in comparison kicked 250 goals amongst their top 5 players.

                      Here is a stab in the dark at my 2010 top 5 goal kickers..........and it is a big call because I have three small players averaging 20 goals....which is not the trend for Swans teams..........I have no idea who the other tall will be who kicks us our goals but hoping Johnston or Grundy etc smashes 30 goals and then we are looking dangerous.

                      Player G
                      Goodes A 45
                      White J 45
                      Moore 20
                      Ablett 20
                      O'Keefe 20
                      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                      • hammo
                        Veterans List
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 5554

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                        In 2010 my guess is that we can still obtain 140ish goals from the top 5 players. Interesting that the top 5 goal kickers all came from tall players.......nothing above 16 goals came from a small player at the Swans in 2009

                        Saints in comparison kicked 250 goals amongst their top 5 players.

                        Here is a stab in the dark at my 2010 top 5 goal kickers..........and it is a big call because I have three small players averaging 20 goals....which is not the trend for Swans teams..........I have no idea who the other tall will be who kicks us our goals but hoping Johnston or Grundy etc smashes 30 goals and then we are looking dangerous.

                        Player G
                        Goodes A 45
                        White J 45
                        Moore 20
                        Ablett 20
                        O'Keefe 20
                        Ablett has kicked 38 goals for his career. No way he'll manage 20 in one season.

                        You've forgotten an obvious goal kicker in Veszpremi and then a couple of ruckmen - probably Seaby and/or Currie - playing a fair bit up forward this year to offset the loss of Jolly.

                        McVeigh will hopefully contribute 20+ goals from midfield.

                        You say we're well short of the top 5 sides. Well that's no suprise considering we missed the finals last year and are rebuilding. Accept that fact and you'll feel better about things. Short of that have a bex and lie down.
                        "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                        • Auntie.Gerald
                          Veterans List
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 6480

                          #27
                          McVeigh depending on his role will be a close to 20goals..............but I thought he would have done that easy in 2009?

                          Seaby or Currie kicking more than Jollys 16 goals (2009) will be a pleasing sight but unlikely me thinks

                          Johnston and Vespa 20 plus will each maybe required........but I think that Ablett will be given more HF play in 2010........Ablett only played 13 games in 2009 of which he scored 8......he can raise that to a goal a game in 2010

                          Ablett especially early on in the season should be given a shot me thinks....reasons being is that he is a senior player now and he has got a strong long kick and a decent lead/mark so I think he will have a more open attacking role.......if there is such a role at the Swans

                          But Ryan O and Moore will need to come to the party .........and tehy should be depended on......ie given the responsibility to achieve more goals........they can do it if given HF / F Pocket roles

                          Keiran Jack scored 13 goals from approx 20games ie top 8 from memory in 2009 for the Swans........considering he tagged most of 2009 he must be a chance of 20 goals if McGlynn, Kennedy and or Smith have to tag more in 2010.....
                          Last edited by Auntie.Gerald; 16 October 2009, 02:31 PM. Reason: spelling
                          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                          • Auntie.Gerald
                            Veterans List
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 6480

                            #28
                            I didnt realise that McGlynn actually has 30 goals from 48 games and prefers to play as a small forward although is handy as a midfielder / tagger

                            PLAYER DETAILS
                            AFL Status
                            Position: Midfielder
                            Team: Hawthorn
                            Number: 21
                            Birthdate: 6 Aug 1985
                            Height: 174cm
                            Weight: 76kg
                            Recruited: Box Hill Hawks
                            State: VIC
                            Debut: 2006, R10 vs WB
                            Games: 48
                            Goals: 30
                            List: senior
                            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                            • 10Totti10
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 443

                              #29
                              Vespremi White Goodes
                              Moore Bradshaw Johnston

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                              • jdow
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 54

                                #30
                                Originally posted by 10Totti10
                                Vespremi White Goodes
                                Moore Bradshaw Johnston
                                Doubt Bradshaw could hold down CHF given his age and that he is a goal sqaure player by trade

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