how much did these Jim Main books cost? And other Swans books questions

[satchmopugdog]

Where else are you going to sip your chardonnay on a winter Sunday afternoon in Sydney?

[Dalai Lama]

Where else are you going to sip your chardonnay on a winter Sunday afternoon in Sydney?

Newport Arms?

[ShockOfHair]

I've just been re-united with my copy of "Shake Down the Thunder", which I left at my mum's place a couple of years ago. I'd forgotten I'd even owned it.

I'm sure Jim's lawyers would welcome another RWO review, so here it is: If you're a fan looking for a chronological tale of the Swans' road to victory, and don't feel like reading 25 years of the Hun, you're in luck. If you're looking for some analysis of the fall and rise of the club - especially the financial story, which was the key piece, you'd learn more on Big Footy.

That said, I did I learn one thing from this ground-breaking piece of history, and that is that the Swans started out in 1874 calling themselves the Cecils. Three weeks later they unaccountably changed their name to South Melbourne.

Yes, a giant fail on my part to know not that, which any dinkum Swans fan would have known before he wore his first no. 14 jumper. But it has me thinking the Nissan Cedrics would be an excellent name and choice of sponsor for GWS.

[Nico]

I've just been re-united with my copy of "Shake Down the Thunder", which I left at my mum's place a couple of years ago. I'd forgotten I'd even owned it.

I'm sure Jim's lawyers would welcome another RWO review, so here it is: If you're a fan looking for a chronological tale of the Swans' road to victory, and don't feel like reading 25 years of the Hun, you're in luck. If you're looking for some analysis of the fall and rise of the club - especially the financial story, which was the key piece, you'd learn more on Big Footy.

That said, I did I learn one thing from this ground-breaking piece of history, and that is that the Swans started out in 1874 calling themselves the Cecils. Three weeks later they unaccountably changed their name to South Melbourne.

Yes, a giant fail on my part to know not that, which any dinkum Swans fan would have known before he wore his first no. 14 jumper. But it has me thinking the Nissan Cedrics would be an excellent name and choice of sponsor for GWS.

Could they have been named after the Cecil Hotel in South Melbourne?

Yes, and just where did all that money go. They had a very successful fund raising group at the club, yet the money slipped through the fingers of the committee and those at the helm of the club. A 90's something lifetime friend of my parents, and who took us to the footy for years, tells a story or two on that one and the alleged villians involved.

[goswannie14]

The Cecil Hotel would be on Cecil Street, possibly named after the street they were a small "regional" team in the south of Melbourne..

IIRC (from reading many years ago) they merged with Emerald Hill and changed their name to South Melbourne as it took in both "region", Emerald Hill and Cecil Street. I could be wrong though.

[bedford]

The Cecil Hotel would be on Cecil Street, possibly named after the street they were a small "regional" team in the south of Melbourne..

IIRC (from reading many years ago) they merged with Emerald Hill and changed their name to South Melbourne as it took in both "region", Emerald Hill and Cecil Street. I could be wrong though.

At the time area's of Port and South had their own pub teams and area teams within those suburbs and that was with footy and cricket. eg Montague , Cecil, Graham and Leopold were some of those and they were tough.

[bedford]

Wow - I should get me to a newsagent and get a copy of my literary stoning by Jim Main!!

Thanks ORB for defending my honour (my reputation, on the other hand, was a lost cause years ago!!! )

Look if Mr Main wants to have a go - then fine by me, I have been called many worse things than that in my life so what Mr Main says about me is water off a ducks back. But peanut, zombie, gutless wonder - thats a bit lame really. I must run it past my large array of lawyer friends and see what they think, I'm sure they will have a hearty laugh too!

But let it be said that I only commented on the content of the books & the costs for rehashed versions of previous publications. I did not attack the MAN, JIM MAIN himself. And there in lies the difference. Some Journalists can be sensitive souls when its about them & their work - but they will not hesitate to stick the boot into another person even if they dont know the facts or indeed the actual person involved.

He obviously didn't understand that the "Party till your boobs drop" line was actually what was on the front of 40th birthday card I received when um, I turned 40!. so take that up with a friends of mine from Tamworth who gave me the card! and for the record, sadly with age, gravity does make one's boobs drop - so partying hard has had absolutely nothing to do with it!!!

If Mr Main is hurt by my thoughts that I considered his books are rehashed versions of previous publications, then perhaps I have hit a raw nerve. I mean there is only so much you can write about a footy club and its history. However, all one had to do is read the content of the two books that I mentioned previously and the proof is there for all to see. I didnt say what he wrote about was wrong, but most of it was the same stuff as the previous publications.

Anyway - if it makes of Jim Main feel better about himself, so be it.

Oh, and if I didnt love the Swans & AFL footy, why in the hell did I renew my membership then???

Wardy, you are spot on about Jim Main. I have attended most big functions in Melbourne and Sydney and you would think this fellow was a God. He can pump his own tyres because of his job, to me he is in the same class as Kenny Williams and the big fella on the wing who think they are the club, but they are no different to the rest of us. Main makes money out of it FFS.

[COBHC]

Hello Jimmy, Wardy rules doesn't she?

[Wardy]

Hello Jimmy, Wardy rules doesn't she?

oh god no - anyway, my lawyers thought it was hilarious, because he is factually wrong when it comes to describing me. And those who really know me on RWO can confirm that I am in no way brain dead,, a peanut or a zombie, and certainly not a gutless wonder!.
I have been watching this wonderful game all of my life - whilst I'm certainly no expert (and having never played because, well I'm a girl makes it a bit tricky), I do know what I like as far as watching the game is concerned. I can tell the difference between a teams great perfomance and when a teams performance is worse than ordinary - and I have the right, just like everyone else to comment accordingly.

The thing is I never attacked the man Mr Main - I actually met him at the Team of the Century dinner and he was perfectly nice. I only commented on the content of his books - he on the other hand........... anyway - lets move on - we all have lives to live.

[Wardy]

I've just been re-united with my copy of "Shake Down the Thunder", which I left at my mum's place a couple of years ago. I'd forgotten I'd even owned it.

I'm sure Jim's lawyers would welcome another RWO review, so here it is: If you're a fan looking for a chronological tale of the Swans' road to victory, and don't feel like reading 25 years of the Hun, you're in luck. If you're looking for some analysis of the fall and rise of the club - especially the financial story, which was the key piece, you'd learn more on Big Footy.

That said, I did I learn one thing from this ground-breaking piece of history, and that is that the Swans started out in 1874 calling themselves the Cecils. Three weeks later they unaccountably changed their name to South Melbourne.

Yes, a giant fail on my part to know not that, which any dinkum Swans fan would have known before he wore his first no. 14 jumper. But it has me thinking the Nissan Cedrics would be an excellent name and choice of sponsor for GWS.

and you can have the "Nissan Cedrics" duo sing the team song - lyrics written by Rampaging Roy Slaven & HG Nelson - of course. It might be a bit tricky getting anything to rhyme with "Western Sydney Laughing Clowns" but there in lies the challenge!

[COBHC]

oh god no - anyway, my lawyers thought it was hilarious, because he is factually wrong when it comes to describing me. And those who really know me on RWO can confirm that I am in no way brain dead,, a peanut or a zombie, and certainly not a gutless wonder!.
I have been watching this wonderful game all of my life - whilst I'm certainly no expert (and having never played because, well I'm a girl makes it a bit tricky), I do know what I like as far as watching the game is concerned. I can tell the difference between a teams great perfomance and when a teams performance is worse than ordinary - and I have the right, just like everyone else to comment accordingly.

The thing is I never attacked the man Mr Main - I actually met him at the Team of the Century dinner and he was perfectly nice. I only commented on the content of his books - he on the other hand........... anyway - lets move on - we all have lives to live.

He got you wrong alright, you're a she and not a he. I'm surprised he is attacking you, after meeting you, that makes it even more funnier.

[COBHC]

oh god no - anyway, my lawyers thought it was hilarious, because he is factually wrong when it comes to describing me. And those who really know me on RWO can confirm that I am in no way brain dead,, a peanut or a zombie, and certainly not a gutless wonder!.
I have been watching this wonderful game all of my life - whilst I'm certainly no expert (and having never played because, well I'm a girl makes it a bit tricky), I do know what I like as far as watching the game is concerned. I can tell the difference between a teams great perfomance and when a teams performance is worse than ordinary - and I have the right, just like everyone else to comment accordingly.

The thing is I never attacked the man Mr Main - I actually met him at the Team of the Century dinner and he was perfectly nice. I only commented on the content of his books - he on the other hand........... anyway - lets move on - we all have lives to live.

That is indeed true that we were called the Cecil Football Club at one stage, not many Swans supporters know that fact.

Like GoSwannies said, the suburb of South Melbourne was once called Emerald Hill and the Emerald Hill Football Club merged with the Cecil Football Club to create South Melbourne. But I'm pretty sure the Albert Park Football Club had also had a hand in South Melbourne's creation at the time though.

[Wardy]

He got you wrong alright, you're a she and not a he. I'm surprised he is attacking you, after meeting you, that makes it even more funnier.

He wouldnt know me from Adam (pardon the pun!) anyway - I think I even have a photo of him with Aussie Ange - sure it was late in the night, we had enjoyed the beverages on offer somewhat and I think I just said 'I'm Alex" we had a bit of a jolly chat and thats it. Ange was a big fan of his, I havent actually spoken to her about this episode yet (I'm pretty sure she doesnt buy Inside Football anymore), I must call her tonight.

[goswannie14]

That is indeed true that we were called the Cecil Football Club at one stage, not many Swans supporters know that fact.

Like GoSwannies said, the suburb of South Melbourne was once called Emerald Hill and the Emerald Hill Football Club merged with the Cecil Football Club to create South Melbourne. But I'm pretty sure the Albert Park Football Club had also had a hand in South Melbourne's creation at the time though.

Yes, you are correct...

A national football competition was a million light years away from the thoughts of the dozen people who attended a meeting at the Temperance Hall, Napier Street, Emerald Hill in 1874 at which it was decided to establish a football club to represent the district. Originally known as the Cecil Football Club the name was changed within a few weeks to South Melbourne, but it was to be six years before on field success began to arrive. The stimulus for this success was an amalgamation of sorts with Albert Park in 1880, [see footnote 1] although given that just about the only aspect of Albert Park's identity to survive the merger was the red and white playing uniform design perhaps 'take-over' would be a better description.

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[Jewels]

Thanks guys for the history lesson on our beloved club. Being a Sydneysider and only having followed the game closely for about ten years, I find the snippets of information about our past (both glorious and inglorious) fascinating. Keep it up!