Mitchell watch

[Levii3]

Getting annoyed now sign or say your leaving hate when players pull this

[707]

He has said he's staying so he will. I think the lateness of the new CBA is holding up quite a number of players across all clubs. The bigger the cap rise, the less the % we are paying Buddy - nice thinking by those that put the world shocking deal together.

Back to Mitchell - he will get a fair contract in line with his standing amongst his peers. Carlton would have to be really overpaying him to get him to move to a club that may not content in his career as they have an ageing list. Carlton would also need to give up a lot at the trade table for us to let him go. Relax, going no where.

[Ludwig]

As I said in another thread, the Swans have put the Mitchell negotiations on hold so they can concentrate on Tom Derickx' contract. There may not be enough in the cap to keep them both. With Sandilands down and near retirement, and Freo's other ruckmen all flops; with NicNat chronically injured, Richmond's thin ruck stocks, Gold Coast reliant on an under-performing Tom Nichols and Kreuzer pretty ordinary with no real backup at Carlton, the offers for Tom D must be coming hot and heavy. We may have offer more than we gave Buddy to keep him. We might even get further AFL sanctions if we do. Good thing Eddie is sailing around the Aegean Sea with Lindsay Fox so he won't be able to throw a monkey wrench into the negotiations, no offense intended for using the word monkey, and sorry to the many who will be offended by using the word Eddie.

[annew]

Talks now on hold until end of season = gone

[Markus26]

Talks now on hold until end of season = gone

I get the same feeling. We could have lost Mitchell altogether. I don't like the stall tactic one bit. If a player is keen to stay, they normally want to get contracts done so they can settle down to playing good footy. I hope we get some form of compensation in return if it comes to him leaving.

[707]

I get the same feeling. We could have lost Mitchell altogether. I don't like the stall tactic one bit. If a player is keen to stay, they normally want to get contracts done so they can settle down to playing good footy. I hope we get some form of compensation in return if it comes to him leaving.

Carlton can offer a big deal but Mitchell isn't a free agent so they will need to cough up big time and not sure they will want to part with their pick 6 ish for Tom so doubt they've got the real desire to get him over at that minimum cost.

Essendon with pick 1 in the PSD however are different and should have cap room. But why would you want to go to either of those clubs. I will however entertain trading Tom for Michael .......

[Mug Punter]

Talks now on hold until end of season = gone

I don't like this approach when guys like Hanners and Luke are happy to commit. But I respect his right to get the best deal for himself.

I guess his agent is just trying to get the best deal and I suspect that it's now 50/50 but my gut says he is leaving. If he hasn't re-signed by the end of July then I'm prepared to write him off as leaving but I do appreciate we've got a big three weeks coming up.

If Carlton want him they'd better look at their rounder minimum otherwise I'd be suggesting we send him to the PSD.

I'd be pretty annoyed if he left because it would clearly be for money and we have paid him massive overs. Having said that, if we really get blown out of the water financially then that's that.

I know we lost Mummy but we really haven't had any list carnage from the Buddy and Tippett signings which is remarkable really. I always thought we'd lose one guy we genuinely we wanted to keep before the cap started to make Buddy's deal more reasonable. Maybe Mitchell is that player. And the combination of cap space and whatever we get for him may well allow us to recruit a gun KPD who may well add to the overall balance of the team.

Whatever happens I trust Kinnear and the team to get this right

[Mug Punter]

Agree with Robbo's assessment tonight on AFL 360.

Clearly a big money offer is on the table by Carlton, Robbo mentions $700K per year. He wants to stay but as things stand the Swans need to put more money on the table. And if we do then Carlton may simply increase their offer again. And if we do then Tom will be on money that blows our pay structure and probably puts him on much more than Parks and Hanners. And it simply adds to the pressure when we look at locking in Heeney and Mills.

It will gut me but I think this may be one we have to let go

[dejavoodoo44]

Surely the fact that Carlton have four number one picks on their list, lessens the amount of cash that they have to go poaching?

[Mug Punter]

Surely the fact that Carlton have four number one picks on their list, lessens the amount of cash that they have to go poaching?

I'd say they'd be pretty cashed up and have some spare cap space.

I'm pretty sure Tom is going now, he's had his head turned and his Mr 7%er is being the bottom-feeder that he by definition is.

We'd have offered him a top dollar that we can afford both within the salary cap and our wages structure and where he sits in it. I don't think we play a lot of games around contract negotiations and I suspect we went in very confident of sealing this deal and we really don't have a Plan B. I'd say he's been offered $550,000 - $600,000 per year and that is pretty much our best offer. It's all about what drives Tom, if he just wants money then go to Carlton but if he wants to win flags then stay here.

Provided it was our best offer then I say call his and managers bluff. It's all they can do, you can't just react to every manager that tries to get an increase but I do suspect Carlton have the capacity to go about $500,000 over three years above us - no matter what we offer they will just up their bid and that's a Mug's Game. And that is pretty significant when you consider that these guys really are looking at getting themselves set up for life here. It's easy for us to say "stay for the flag" but that's an investment property over three year half or a third paid for. Plus don't forget the kid has some ties to that club too and the allure of playing in Melbourne may appeal.

These days the players always get their way when they are out of contract and want to go to a club, it is just a matter of what we can get for the deal when he leaves. Pick 6 or 7 would seem fair to me but I'm not sure Carlton would be feeling so charitable. Maybe their number 1 draft pick for 2017 when they'd be hoping it is Pick 10 or higher (and it may well be given the job Bolton is doing). They are still in rebuild mode and this kid would suit them to a tee and I can see why they are going hard at him.

If we got a first rounder next year then that could work. It would provide the trade bait for a KPD if we find one. And if we do go for Hurley we have a ready made spot on the list plus the salary to accommodate him (Teddy's and Tom's). And if we don't do anything then we get two first rounders next year and it's been a long time since we've had that luxury.

In terms of the inside grunt we'd lose with Tom I say Callum Mills. That kids is a Bull in the making and once he gets a couple more pre-seasons in the gym I can seeing him poo all over Mitchell. And let's not forget Heeney though I do feel he knee issues may see him be a high marking small forward his entire career

[Steve]

I don't like this approach when guys like Hanners and Luke are happy to commit. But I respect his right to get the best deal for himself.

In fairness, those guys got long-term deals on big money - which makes showing your loyalty a bit easier.

Personally I think it's just a bit uncomfortable now, as opposed to being a major issue. Mitchell hasn't been putting off talking about a new contract for 12+ months which is the usual precursor to then 'let's just now wait until the end of the year' once you get into that final year of he contract.

Seemingly nor have the club been delaying things like we did with Mumford knowing we couldn't fit him in.

If Carlton have recently thrown a lot more money at him, I think it's fair all parties re-assess things - but for Mitchell that also includes whether he really wants to leave the Swans, what's actually best for his football, likelihood of future team success, how different it is having inferior players playing around you etc etc.

I think it would still be a fair assumption to say the clear preference for Mitchell and his manager is to do a deal with Sydney. It's hard to understand why Carlton would make him an astronomical offer - he's not a Dangerfield - so there is likely still hope we can get closer to the number they want (which given all the other factors should be in our favour already, would get a deal done).

[Sandridge]

I don't like this approach when guys like Hanners and Luke are happy to commit. But I respect his right to get the best deal for himself.

I guess his agent is just trying to get the best deal and I suspect that it's now 50/50 but my gut says he is leaving. If he hasn't re-signed by the end of July then I'm prepared to write him off as leaving but I do appreciate we've got a big three weeks coming up.

If Carlton want him they'd better look at their rounder minimum otherwise I'd be suggesting we send him to the PSD.

I'd be pretty annoyed if he left because it would clearly be for money and we have paid him massive overs. Having said that, if we really get blown out of the water financially then that's that.

I know we lost Mummy but we really haven't had any list carnage from the Buddy and Tippett signings which is remarkable really. I always thought we'd lose one guy we genuinely we wanted to keep before the cap started to make Buddy's deal more reasonable. Maybe Mitchell is that player. And the combination of cap space and whatever we get for him may well allow us to recruit a gun KPD who may well add to the overall balance of the team.

Whatever happens I trust Kinnear and the team to get this right

Exactly!

[DA_Swan]

Given his manager is a life member of our club i am sure the negotiations are done in good faith and the best deal will be done for all parties - if we have to significantly increase our offer in $$ i think he is gone - if delay is over number of years then maybe we are still in the game and with the other hat on - an early draft pick and the cap space would provide a great opportunity to get a KPD ready to play so we win either way

[Swansongster]

If we got a first rounder next year then that could work. It would provide the trade bait for a KPD if we find one. And if we do go for Hurley we have a ready made spot on the list plus the salary to accommodate him (Teddy's and Tom's). And if we don't do anything then we get two first rounders next year and it's been a long time since we've had that luxury.

In terms of the inside grunt we'd lose with Tom I say Callum Mills. That kids is a Bull in the making and once he gets a couple more pre-seasons in the gym I can seeing him poo all over Mitchell. And let's not forget Heeney though I do feel he knee issues may see him be a high marking small forward his entire career

2009 - Rohan (6), Jetta (14)

Will be disappointed if Mitchell goes but agree that he could be good trade currency and we are probably better positioned than any other club to cover such a loss. Life would go on.

But, as I've stated before, surely he is worth a bucket-load more to himself if he continues to progress for another couple of years? And if he stayed for two more, he gets to play with a side in contention?

Under an extended new salary cap, all clubs will have lots of money for free agents and ball magnet mid-fielders.

[CureTheSane]

Reid or Rohan.
You may keep only one.
Who do you choose?