Mitchell watch

[azzzr]

we needed it to happen, i would of preferred tippett but without mitchell im more confident we can resign heeney and then kennedy the year after

[goswannies]

At the end of the day, he was offered a job by another employer, for substantially more money and with further opportunity to add even more income outside of the salary cap. I totally agree with his decision and I hope that it works out well for him.

I have 2 points of view. Wouldn't hesitate to jump ship myself if another employer tried to poach me for even an unsubstantial increase.
But I do not hope it works out for him. No sir, not at all! First of all, he bailed (I understand the reasons, doesn't mean I will ever like it! My football cerebral cortex overrides my fiscal cerebral cortex). Second, he went to Whorethorn. Whorethorn!! These days, for me, that's now worse than Collingwood!

In the meantime, our list managers have suspected this for months and the decision would have come as no surprise, so we would have worked out a strategy long ago.

Back to logical, rational thought. I agree with that

[goods78]

I think Longmire hinted in a post match press conference toward the end of the H&A season that a good game (inferring Mitchell) was not all about a huge number of possessions. I like Tom as a player, but we have plenty of depth in (and coming in to) the midfield. Other clubs would kill for our depth in this dept and are right to pay good money for him. Happy to let him go to fund big contracts for key position players as well as a blank cheque for Heeney.


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[veramex]

Saw article from Hannebery talking about being runner up in the best and fairest, and then talking about team within a team. Even at the players level, looks like tom Mitchell was considered the 5th wheel...


On josh Kennedy -
?He?s helped me out on a lot of things, not just football but becoming a better person as well.

?We do our own little to get ready pre-game and then Parks (Luke Parker) and Kizza (Kieren Jack) join in as well ? we?re a team within a team.

Goodesy's legacy still strong - sydneyswans.com.au

[Ludwig]

This article supports the view that Tom was graciously pushed out the door because the depth of our midfield group:

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Here is some of what Harley said:

?Tom is clearly not in the middle and bottom end but you can only have so many really good players.?


Once Mitchell rejected Sydney?s offer in May the writing was on the wall for the father-son player.


?We put a long term offer which we thought was commensurate to where Tom sat on our list,? Harley said.


?Where he sits on our list is probably different to where he sits on other clubs. We don?t begrudge Tom for that and it?s a reality of list management these days.?

There is also support for going to the draft to add a few more good young players to our list.

?We?re not going to the market to find top-end talent. Let?s go to the market and the draft to improve out talent and look after the players we?ve got.?

In this context, going after O'Meara doesn't make sense.

When you put the whole story together it would seem that we wanted to make room both in terms of compensation and playing opportunity for others already in our playing group and Tom was seen as the most expendable. He might have been seen as the kind of player who would receive good offers from other clubs and put pressure on the Swans to match the offers. So why put up with that when we have plenty of good players to take his place. I like the balance of our list without Mitchell, not saying whatsoever that he's not a very good player.

The way Hawthorn and GWS are letting players go for near nothing, the Mitchell trade looks good enough.

[Beerman]

When you put the whole story together it would seem that we wanted to make room both in terms of compensation and playing opportunity for others already in our playing group and Tom was seen as the most expendable. He might have been seen as the kind of player who would receive good offers from other clubs and put pressure on the Swans to match the offers. So why put up with that when we have plenty of good players to take his place. I like the balance of our list without Mitchell, not saying whatsoever that he's not a very good player.

This is further demonstrated by the fact we started contract negotiations with Heeney pretty much the minute Tom was out the door.

[rb4x]

Mitchell deals done. We get 52 for 57 which hawks got from eagles as part of the other Mitchell deal as well as 14. Think we got unders but hawks really got big unders. Mitchell obviously was not part of the Hodge, Burgoyne, Gibson deals who are all playing for peanuts and probably brown paper bags. Hawks must need salary cap relief real bad for O'Meara.

[rojo]

This is further demonstrated by the fact we started contract negotiations with Heeney pretty much the minute Tom was out the door.

Which means in reality that if so much money was not tied up in paying Buddy and KT we would have had enough to pay both Tom and Heeney what they are worth. At least Tom is now going to get the opportunity to show whether he has been underrated by the Swans and some on RWO or overrated by Hawthorn and some on RWO.

[liz]

I find the whole (Sam) Mitchell thing really bizarre. Here is a player who is still their best player (he just won his 5th B&F) being pushed out of the door (after earlier this season being contracted to play on for at least one more year). Sure, the offer of coaching opportunities at WC might have been sold to him as an attractive opportunity, but it seems hard to imagine that opportunity wouldn't have still been there in 2018 or 2019 if he'd first finished up his playing days at Hawthorn.

There were times during 2016 when Mitchell was literally the only player in their midfield keeping the team in the game. Our Mitchell will be a good addition to their team but he doesn't have the foot skills or extreme footy IQ of Sam, while O'Meara (if they get him) hasn't played for 2 years and is a bit of a gamble.

[mcs]

I find the whole (Sam) Mitchell thing really bizarre. Here is a player who is still their best player (he just won his 5th B&F) being pushed out of the door (after earlier this season being contracted to play on for at least one more year). Sure, the offer of coaching opportunities at WC might have been sold to him as an attractive opportunity, but it seems hard to imagine that opportunity wouldn't have still been there in 2018 or 2019 if he'd first finished up his playing days at Hawthorn.

There were times during 2016 when Mitchell was literally the only player in their midfield keeping the team in the game. Our Mitchell will be a good addition to their team but he doesn't have the foot skills or extreme footy IQ of Sam, while O'Meara (if they get him) hasn't played for 2 years and is a bit of a gamble.

You have to wonder Liz whether something has gone on behind the scenes with these senior guys (the Lewis proposal to the Dees is just as odd), especially when the Hawks list manager has come out and said it had nothing to do with salary cap pressures. All very, very strange.

[snajik]

Agree with all of that, and although Tom had a pretty solid finals series he is prone to turning the ball over with speculative 'up and unders' into the forward fifty as demonstrated in the first quarter of the GF.

Draft week is turning into a farce particularly with regard to the Sam Mitchell situation. Contracts no longer mean anything. Whenever a player nominates a preferred club he gets there 98% of the time. Why is this?

Watch how Hawthorn will be portrayed as shrewd, innovative and courageous for this Sam Mitchell trade. If it was the Swans doing something similar we would be cheating, bringing the game into disrepute and sanctioned accordingly.

[Billericay]

You have to wonder Liz whether something has gone on behind the scenes with these senior guys (the Lewis proposal to the Dees is just as odd), especially when the Hawks list manager has come out and said it had nothing to do with salary cap pressures. All very, very strange.

Didn't Clarko or someone at Hawthorn say they need to "move on" 2 players a year. Looks like Clarko's had "a chat" with a few players in the hope of getting at least one to think about it and both SMitchell and Lewis have taken his "advice." They need to turn their list over and their midfield got smashed in 2016.

Matthew Lloyd says if he was in Lewis' position he'd walk. You have to wonder if the loss of Clarko-tamer Chris Fagan to Brisbane has already upset the delicate equilibrium at Hawthorn. I certainly hope so.

[waswan]

All its innovative, forward thinking and above all has to be the right decision....after all it is Hawthorn

[neilfws]

HPN's verdict: "the Hawks make out like bandits".

TRADE: Hawks Replace Sam With Tom #AFLTrades | Hurling People Now

[KTigers]

Certainly does look like the much written about self sacrifice for the greater good thing at Hawthorn has
run out of puff. I get that trading in Tom Mitchell, and even JOM (if he ever plays again) may worth throwing
a few guys overboard, but Tyrone Vickery.... did they get him mixed up with someone else (Ben Brown maybe,
they seem to have the same hair "stylist") or something.