Rate Roos Coaching..Round 8

[Nico]

A rating as a coach.

We had a lot of players out and clearly ROK is not right. Who knows who else was sore and we had a 6 day turnaround as against 8. Having read both his books that give a clear line on his mindset on life, I doubt the man is in semi retirement mode. With that many vacancies in the side it would be very hard to know how to turn the side into a winning combo against the Bulldogs. I got the impression after quarter time it was a matter of trying to avoid total carnage.

He stead fastly sticks by his method of not bringing on young players until he thinks they are ready for the bigtime unless they are something special. I agree with the comments made by many RWOers on Bevan, Playfair and Richards but I suspect there are very good reasons why others wern't promoted. Ves not getting promoted by now appears puzzling but there were plenty of rumours about why he wasn't playing early on: body not right, over trained etc. MOD had off field attitude problems also.

On players not playing to instruction; does anyone think yesterday's style and execution was the coach's fault?

[Hartijon]

Motivation ,desire to win,fighting when your down are all well and truly the coaches job to instill in the team.Roosey has had it easy with the great role models but now it is falling back on him. We were never going to win this match but how we lost was going to be important and measure where we were as a team.What do we see from the coach?
1. Poor player positioning (Bevan,White, Bolton)
2. No response to mismatches
3.!/2 time address given while leaning against the wall.The players took on his attitude in the second half
4.Joking and whistling after a thrashing.How many supporters felt like that?
5. Baffling player selection Thursday night

We can lose to a better team with better players,I can live with that,but we should at least be coached and led superbly. That didn't happen and it was a dissappointing performance from Roosey.On the other side of the ledger,Rocket coached well and was furious about a goal we got even when 6 goals up. He made changes immediately and hauled a player off. Looks like the Dogs don't carry any passengers !

[Blood Fever]

Eade's temperament is suspect compared to Roos. Dogs lucky against Deed and got us with lots of injuries. When pressure on in big games, much prefer Roos' approach instead of Eade transferring his stress onto his players

[aardvark]

Not about winning, about the decisions he made.

Once Bradshaw was out White should have been slotted into FF. LRT, Currie, Goodes (yes) should have been played in the ruck....it balls to the wall. When put in bad situations at the selection table, he seems to err.

People were questioning Roosy's demeanour throughout the game. He is smart enough to know there is no use flogging a dead horse. Tearing heads off people at that stage would only be counterproductive and destructive as Eade found out at the end of his time with the swans

[UglyDuckling]

Eade's temperament is suspect compared to Roos. Dogs lucky against Deed and got us with lots of injuries. When pressure on in big games, much prefer Roos' approach instead of Eade transferring his stress onto his players

true that, i much prefer roos temprament to most other coaches. My issues are certainly tactical not to do with his personality

[premiers05]

Three weeks ago he was the messiah..........

You guys are all in the wrong jobs, I'm sure Richmond, Adelaide, Hawthorne could all use your expertise.

Maybe Mr Roos had a cunning plan. Swans never have liked Manuka and if you're going to lose one: lose against the Dogs at Manuka, and rest Bradshaw and McGlynn for Freo at the SCG. Rohan and Jetta have showed they can be trusted so now bring the rest of the new brigade to the fore

If I'm right in trusting the man who gave us a premiership , we will see faster younger Swans players grappling against the Dockers midfiled and two on Pavelich next week.

Ruckmen, you ask ? Well if youre up against Sandilands in his current form it doesnt matter who you pick . Replace our ruckmen with fast, bold, hard tackling taggers to bite his ankles and steal the clearances.

That's my view: Mr Roos took it easy to save up for the Dockers . And if youre saying there's no passion, how passionate was he with the backline in Round 1 against the Saints?? - He gave them the worst spray of his coaching career and came back for a second go at them. This is the guy who was 6 goals to zip down in the first quarter against the Eagles (when they still were the Eagles) and he was whistling during the break


BUT, then again, as my wife cynically says "When he's up against it, Roos goes to older experienced guys rather ,regardless of form, rather than take a chance on young talent. He just doesnt trust young players"

Maybe it's Freudian: is he reliving his own move into the Swans and hopes that older guys can do what he did?

Dont judge until after round 13. All we have to do this year is beat Collingwood

[Jesse Richards]

As I walked away from the game I found myself thinking I won't be sorry to see Roos go. That surprised me, because I have been a staunch Roos supporter. Not because of his laid back demeanour, not because of game plan, decisions, selections or anything else in particular. I just had the impression that he hadn't come up with anything constructive at half time to get our boys back on track. My overall impression was that our boys played their guts out doing what they were told to do but there was a lack of team focus, a disconnect that others on RWO have explained in much more detail. I'm not blaming anyone in particularly for yesterday's loss - not Roos, not players individually nor collectively, not even those weird umpiring decisions - just had a generalised feeling of dissatisfaction and a desire for something different. Remember the Swans of the past few years - lost or won games by a goal or less, rallying, coming from behind, do or die efforts in the last quarter, commentators in amazement saying Here come the Swans - after having written them off in the second quarter - and the opposing team bewildered by our quick goals and ferocious desperation tackles....Maybe now Roos' instructions are to stay safe, we can't afford any more injuries? I really thought that this year we could play well enough not to have the need for those heart stopping final quarters, but now I'm wondering if we have lost that big heart that set the Swans apart from all the other teams.

[Bas]

Eade's temperament is suspect compared to Roos. Dogs lucky against Deed and got us with lots of injuries. When pressure on in big games, much prefer Roos' approach instead of Eade transferring his stress onto his players

And the difference is that the Dogs WIN and we lose.

[aardvark]

And the difference is that the Dogs WIN and we lose.

The dogs didn't have 7 of their better performed players absent.

[hammo]

For mine a D- at best.

Even a D- is generous! If you ask me that was the worst coaching performance in his time at the club. Injuries can be a legitimate excuse but the fact is the team balance was totally out of kilter and that started with the team selection.

[Vonsteinman]

Yeah I wasn't impressed at half time when I saw him with hand in pockets and leaning against the wall, also wasn't that impressed with him sharing a joke on the bench after the final siren. I know a lot of fans love his attitude and probably don't care, but I want passion, I want the coach to reflect the frustration we all felt.

I'd rate today at C-, really didn't see much imagination go into our setup, today was the day to throw caution to the wind.

Why does he need to show frustration and do his block? It's not the way he behaves naturally, the players would see right through it. If there is a reason to go crook at the blokes, he does it - as witnessed at 3qt in the Saints game.

Far out guys, there's maybe one team - that being Geelong - that could lose a third of the team and match it with a "top 4" side.

I'm sure that if he had the cattle on the park and we were anywhere near that far down against the Dogs, there would have been a bit more emotion. But there really is no use ranting and raving on a playing group so depleted that it can't match the opposition.

[Damien]

Why does he need to show frustration and do his block? It's not the way he behaves naturally, the players would see right through it. If there is a reason to go crook at the blokes, he does it - as witnessed at 3qt in the Saints game.

Far out guys, there's maybe one team - that being Geelong - that could lose a third of the team and match it with a "top 4" side.

I'm sure that if he had the cattle on the park and we were anywhere near that far down against the Dogs, there would have been a bit more emotion. But there really is no use ranting and raving on a playing group so depleted that it can't match the opposition.

Did I say anything about going crook? I realise some of you are hell bent on defening Roos to the hilt, but some of us weren't impressed yesterday. If I presented to my staff at work leaning against the wall with my hands in my pocket, I can assure you my MD would have me in his office and ask if I was actually still interested in my job. We are allowed to question Roos surely?

Just like discussing players fortunes, the coaches fortunes will go up and down throughout the year and it is a fair discussion point.

Your last paragraph disturbs me the most to honest. I doubt Roos felt defeated before the game or even at half time, but I can tell you if we ever have a coach with that attitude, no matter what side we put on the park, I don't want them at our club.

[bigswan]

Blaming the coach after a loss is pretty poor. We're better than Essendon supporters surely. I don't think he could have cone much better. I'll put my trust and confidence in him any day.

[Damien]

Blaming the coach after a loss is pretty poor. We're better than Essendon supporters surely. I don't think he could have cone much better. I'll put my trust and confidence in him any day.

Still unsure why so many get so defensive to any criticism of Roos on gameday? My understanding is that he is human and has bad days occasionally, he isn't a protected species that is a god when we win and blameless when we lose.

In anycase, I don't think anyone is blaming him, just rating his match day coaching performance against the Western Bulldogs. If our fans start spitting on him or start calling for his head, I'll be right there for the defence, but I'll be damned if fans can't discuss how he went and tactical frustrations.

[Bas]

The dogs didn't have 7 of their better performed players absent.

Not refering to yesterday. Generally speaking. I miss the old days when Eade would smash the phone, yell every obscenity under the sun then flap his arms at 160km hr during 1/4 and 3/4 time. It was just letting the players know what everyone in the stands was feeling.

Although having said that, I don't think I've ever heard the team get booed off the ground like they did under Eade.

Bugger, shot myself in the foot.