Tough Decisions

[Hartijon]

Completely agree. It was poor player management to play them and served no purpose as we had young players to blood against teams that were always going to flog us. Player welfare must come first and concussion is serious. Sorry,have absolutely no confidence in any doctors decision when he is being paid by the club. I put Doctors in the same box as lawyers.

[sWAns63]

Should concussion be an automatic week off or head gear for the next game.

[Melbournehammer]

Does RWO have some kind of random post generator that each week throws out names of players who have to be dropped?

Kirk and Bolton made more tackles than anyone on the field yesterday - 19 between them, more than a fifth of the team's entire tackle count. Kirk kept Mitchell out of the game in the first half, where he had just eight touches.

I'm not sure why we would want to do away with that kind of defensive pressure.

I actually think Mitchell kept kirk out of the game for most of the first half. Mitchell never started in the centre square and often ran off kirk to the wings. I was quite fascinated by that because it showed mitchell was faster than kirk and that they were more concerned with kirk in there than they were about their own fella.

[Red]

Drop Kirk and/or Jude? Wow.

If we're putting the blowtorch on our champs, how about Goodes? Amazingly wasteful effort. I haven't seen a Swan butcher that many chances since Hall in the 06 GF.

Not suggesting of course a run in the twos (for him or anyone else in this thread), but if he's going to play forward he needs to seriously work on his kicking for goal.

[Matty10]

Things could have been very different:

with jesse not shoving the backmen when the ball was going to clear them both and he could have run onto it.
shaw kicks the goal.
goodes makes it 2.4
McVeigh's head high hit picked up on.
etc.

We were very close to winning that game. Perhaps Hawthorn would have been unlucky to lose considering that they were leading all day, but we had chances - and things did not go our way in some crucial contests.

A couple more than those listed above were the LRT effort where he let the ball go over the back and Franklin ran around him at CHF for a goal, and then in the last quarter when on a fast break Heath's kick was smothered when we had players on up the ground and others running in support of him.

You would not drop a player for any of those single contests, but sometimes the difference between winning and losing is the result of their outcome.

[sWAns63]

Drop Kirk and/or Jude? Wow.

If we're putting the blowtorch on our champs, how about Goodes? Amazingly wasteful effort. I haven't seen a Swan butcher that many chances since Hall in the 06 GF.

Not suggesting of course a run in the twos (for him or anyone else in this thread), but if he's going to play forward he needs to seriously work on his kicking for goal.

I don't think they should be dropped just rested for aweek to freshen them up. Kirk is retiring at the end of the season and has said he wouldn't mind coaching he could sit in the coaches box and get a few pointers.

[Jesse Richards]

Should concussion be an automatic week off or head gear for the next game.

Apologies for duplicate post

SECOND IMPACT SYNDROME: Sports Confront Consequences of Concussions - page 2 | USA Today (Society for the Advancement of Education)
The American Academy of Neurology and the Brain Injury Association have issued recommendations for return to play. The guidelines divide concussions into three types:
Grade I: No loss of consciousness; transient confusion; mental status abnormalities last less than 15 minutes. The athlete may play again that day if symptoms resolve within 15 minutes.
Grade II: No loss of consciousness; transient confusion; mental status abnormalities last more than 15 minutes. The athlete can play again only after he or she has been symptom-free for a full week.
Grade III: Any loss of consciousness, either for brief seconds or prolonged. An athlete who is unconscious for just a few seconds can resume play after a full week of no symptoms. If the loss of consciousness lasts several minutes or more, the waiting period is at least two weeks.

[Flossie]

I often wonder what game some of the people on this site were watching. Kirky and Jude did their job by keeping their opposition player quiet. Even if they are not as influential as they used to be, some of the people on here need to give them a bit more respect for the great players they have been for us. I remember when all you read on this site was about McHack, and look at HIM now!!! Stop being so pessimistic, I thought we played pretty well yesterday considering the amount of players out with injury and if we can keep that intensity up and gradually get our injured players back in, I think we have no problem ending in the eight. Also, although I have been critical of Jesse White at times, and thought he was a bit lazy, I think he did a good job yesterday. Support the team, don't keep continually harping on the downside.

Does RWO have some kind of random post generator that each week throws out names of players who have to be dropped?

Kirk and Bolton made more tackles than anyone on the field yesterday - 19 between them, more than a fifth of the team's entire tackle count. Kirk kept Mitchell out of the game in the first half, where he had just eight touches.

I'm not sure why we would want to do away with that kind of defensive pressure.

[aardvark]

Here is an idea. Try being fast enough to get first use when your rucks are dominating. Then you won't need to tackle. Having heaps of tackles means you are getting beaten to the ball. Which is why our midfield is getting beaten each week despite Mummy doing well.

[Matty10]

It's not all about pace. Greg Williams used to dominate the clearances when he played, and he would have been lucky to have won a foot race against my mother.

[aardvark]

It's not all about pace. Greg Williams used to dominate the clearances when he played, and he would have been lucky to have won a foot race against my mother.

Greg Williams was a very smart player. I'm not so sure he would have coped so well with the pace of todays game. I think the Match v the bombers will highlight if our midfield is functioning correctly or not. They are incredibly quick.

[Peace]

this forum is hilarious sometimes!

drop kirk and Jude??? they are the heart of our midfield, without them, our midfield would just be a bunch of chickens running around with their heads chopped off.

if any of our veteran players were to be dropped from their performance on Sunday, it should be Goodes, he single-handedly lost us the game. 5 (FIVE!) behinds!!! and we lost by 2 points... go figure.

[Matty10]

Greg Williams was a very smart player. I'm not so sure he would have coped so well with the pace of todays game. I think the Match v the bombers will highlight if our midfield is functioning correctly or not. They are incredibly quick.

Nor is Watson, yet he is the player the Swans will try and negate first and foremost - as untagged he will find the ball more than anyone else around the ruck contests.

[aardvark]

Nor is Watson, yet he is the player the Swans will try and negate first and foremost - as untagged he will find the ball more than anyone else around the ruck contests.

We will see next weekend. I'm more than happy to be wrong

[mcs]

While there is no doubt their effectiveness is down, I don't think there would be any point in dropping either of them, as we simply don't have the available troops atm to replace them. Kirky is struggle, and Bolton is not playing well, but currently they are in our best 22. Their time is coming- I think out of yesterday's game it was almost a watershed moment to me- while they did their job, it was the young guns that really dragged us back into it, especially Hanners. The baton is beginning to be passed to the next generation of Bloods, but it is not time yet to throw our veterans on the scrapheap.