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  • Hartijon
    On the Rookie List
    • May 2008
    • 1536

    #91
    I am really enjoying this thread because its been a long time coming!!! I have believed for a long time that our forward line is contrived and not a serious long term proposition.I have criticised our forward line for some time. Our backline,midfield and ruck are generally ok.
    Hence I have supported trialling genuine forwards by that i mean players who have GOAL sense and KNOW how to find a free space.McGlynn is a very good example of this type of player. Instead,the selectors and obviously the coaches too have gone ahead with a makeshift forward line even though we know that Bradshaw,even if fit, will only be a 2-3 year prospect at the limit. White is a ruckman we are trying to turn into a forward while Goodes is a great midfielder who seems to get lost and go missing in the forwards.Jetta can't kick straight and the rest are basically rotating midfielders with the exception of Moore who we have missed. I believe this year is a rebuilding year,we won't make the Grandfinal! and I believe we have squandered opportunities to try new players and new strategies. If saying this makes me sound negative so be it,in actual fact i am suggesting positive changes. I am looking towards a crack at another Premiership in 2012 BUT we gotta start NOW! I think a basic skill of a forward is to mark a ball and kick goals. I would therefore be playing ,players who have shown they can do this at a lower level until they can do the same at a higher level. Whether they are "ready" "too young" etc are all subjective judgements that we don't know the truth of until we trial them. I would therefore have played TDL for at least 4 games by now. LJ would also have got a few games,maybe there may also be a potential star there somewhere? a Posiadly?(Would we have played him if we had him?) In this interim period ,and with injuries, we obviously need some makeshift players but we have missed an opportunity to both blood new players and to experiment. We will never know if some other combinations might have worked. eg using a KPP from defense (Grundy,LRT) Instead,we perservered with Playfair,Goodes and White and White is the only one with upside who perhaps might make a forward. Great to have this thread...the forward line which looked so good on paper has turned out to be as thin as paper.

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    • RogueSwan
      McVeigh for Brownlow
      • Apr 2003
      • 4602

      #92
      Aww, poor Goodesy.
      Doesn't he have a history of being poor in the first half of the season then come back in the second half? He will now average 3.5 goals for the next nine rounds!


      Maybe
      Last edited by RogueSwan; 29 June 2010, 10:25 AM. Reason: spelling
      "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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      • dimelb
        pr. dim-melb; m not f
        • Jun 2003
        • 6889

        #93
        Originally posted by Triple B
        Who ??
        Post #85.
        He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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        • Triple B
          Formerly 'BBB'
          • Feb 2003
          • 6999

          #94
          Originally posted by dimelb
          Post #85.
          Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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          • RogueSwan
            McVeigh for Brownlow
            • Apr 2003
            • 4602

            #95
            Originally posted by Triple B
            Who ??
            Originally posted by dimelb
            Post #85.
            Originally posted by Triple B
            Do you think it went over Di's head?
            "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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            • dimelb
              pr. dim-melb; m not f
              • Jun 2003
              • 6889

              #96
              Originally posted by RogueSwan
              Do you think it went over Di's head?
              Perhaps I should've just said Yeah!
              Last edited by dimelb; 29 June 2010, 11:17 AM.
              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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              • chuckie
                Warming the Bench
                • Jan 2003
                • 301

                #97
                Although White is not really a second year player he is playing like one.
                What I mean by this is that a lot of players that play well in their first year struggle the second due to the opposition being a lot more aware of who they are also they can get a big head.
                I also think that a lot of our players when they go to deliver the ball don't either raise or lower their eyes, so many times a player might be in the clear 50 metres up the ground but we will kick it 20 metres to a player under pressure becaue we haven't lifted our eyes and all we see is whats just in front of us and vice versa i think if they did this we would be able to move the ball a lot more quicker.

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                • RogueSwan
                  McVeigh for Brownlow
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 4602

                  #98
                  Originally posted by dimelb
                  Perhaps I should've just said Yeah!
                  as long as you scream it Roger Daltrey style "yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!".

                  Now you won't get fooled again.
                  "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                  • dimelb
                    pr. dim-melb; m not f
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 6889

                    #99
                    Originally posted by RogueSwan
                    as long as you scream it Roger Daltrey style "yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!".

                    Now you won't get fooled again.
                    Not really a deaf, dumb and blind kid - just a bit slow on the uptake sometimes!
                    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                    • Hartijon
                      On the Rookie List
                      • May 2008
                      • 1536

                      Originally posted by RogueSwan
                      as long as you scream it Roger Daltrey style "yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!".

                      Now you won't get fooled again.
                      Meet the new boss,same as the old boss.

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                      • Bloody Hell
                        Senior Player
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 3085

                        Originally posted by laughingnome
                        The more I watch of him the more I'm convinced he doesn't like leading. He wants the mids to bomb it in long so he can take a screamer 20-out and in front. Sure, it looks nice the couple of times it works but so many opportunities are wasted by the ease at which defenders deflect the ball away and then run up the field.

                        I don't know if this is because he's a ruckman-cum-forward who's initial instruction was probably just that (though it can't possibly be now as a KPP) or if he's just lazy, but some time in the Ressies hsould at least give him some confidance in what the hell he's doing.
                        He's not quick enough on the top defenders he's playing on atm. The few time I see him lead he seems to have a defender right on his shoulder.
                        The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16773

                          Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                          He's not quick enough on the top defenders he's playing on atm. The few time I see him lead he seems to have a defender right on his shoulder.
                          Don't agree. When he gets moving he is exceptionally quick for his height. I've seen him make leads over 20-30m and burn off opponents with ease. And there have been times when he has managed to create a goal out of nothing by outsprinting an opponent around the boundary line.

                          It may be a laziness issue but I suspect it is more likely that it just hasn't clicked with him how hard the good forwards work, making lead after lead after lead and accepting that most won't be rewarded. Or it could be that he is receiving crap instructions about how to be an effective forward.

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                          • Triple B
                            Formerly 'BBB'
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6999

                            Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                            He's not quick enough on the top defenders he's playing on atm. The few time I see him lead he seems to have a defender right on his shoulder.
                            I doubt Lachie Henderson would agree he's not quick.

                            Jesse made him look like a tortoise when he took him on not once, but twice in Rd 22 last year. That performance may even have been the catalyst for Henderson being the 'bait' which landed Fev up north.

                            Jesse's problem at the moment is most definately above the shoulders, IMO. A spell in the 2's will do him the world of good.
                            Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                            • Triple B
                              Formerly 'BBB'
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6999

                              Originally posted by dimelb
                              Not really a deaf, dumb and blind kid - just a bit slow on the uptake sometimes!
                              Nice comeback
                              Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                              • Bloody Hell
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 3085

                                Originally posted by liz

                                It may be a laziness issue but I suspect it is more likely that it just hasn't clicked with him how hard the good forwards work, making lead after lead after lead and accepting that most won't be rewarded. Or it could be that he is receiving crap instructions about how to be an effective forward.
                                Maybe it is this. He's unable to get the 3m break on the lead against the top forwards that he was getting last year against lesser likes. If that's the case a spell in the two's won't help. He'll go back and all his old tricks will work, he'll kick a few bags and suffer the same issues on his return. He'd probably be better served watching a hard working forward like, dare I say it, Hall for an entire game - see what it takes.
                                The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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