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  • Go Swannies
    Veterans List
    • Sep 2003
    • 5697

    Originally posted by Hartijon
    In a few weeks time Roosey reluctantly will play these youngster and his sycophants will call him a genius!! just watch!
    We're not really sycophants - we just think he's a better coach than you and some of us get tired of sniping from the sidelines at a coach who is just trying to do his job of winning games of football while introducing younger players at a rate that won't break them or their spirit. Not rocket science really - but I guess it's easier to whine about how he's dudding the players, the fans - and probably the city of Sydney - than to offer balanced commentary.

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    • Robbo
      On the Rookie List
      • May 2007
      • 2946

      I can't see how promoting youngsters will break their spirit.

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      • swansrob
        Senior Player
        • May 2009
        • 1265

        Originally posted by Robbo
        I can't see how promoting youngsters will break their spirit.
        If they're treated like Vesz I can.

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        • hammo
          Veterans List
          • Jul 2003
          • 5554

          Roos took the unusual step this week of not reviewing the loss to the Tigers, prefer not to ''dwell'' on it and focus on the eight games between now and the finals.
          Roos stays positive over Swans' fortunes
          "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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          • Captain
            Captain of the Side
            • Feb 2004
            • 3602

            Looking forward to seeing Ted. If he can get a bit of confidence he will be very valuable.

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            • Legs Akimbo
              Grand Poobah
              • Apr 2005
              • 2809

              Originally posted by hammo
              That article is concerning at a number of levels. Sounds like the players' moral is not good at the moment. But I guess when the coach picks players on 'seniority' not form, mocks the team from the boundary line and adopts a generally negative and cynical attitude, that is what happens.

              The sooner this season is over the better as far as I am concerned.
              He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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              • aardvark
                Veterans List
                • Mar 2010
                • 5685

                Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                The sooner this season is over the better as far as I am concerned.
                You could get your wish tomorrow..Kangas at good odds if you want to get on.

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                • Lucky Knickers
                  Fandom of Fabulousness
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4220

                  Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                  That article is concerning at a number of levels. Sounds like the players' moral is not good at the moment. But I guess when the coach picks players on 'seniority' not form, mocks the team from the boundary line and adopts a generally negative and cynical attitude, that is what happens.

                  The sooner this season is over the better as far as I am concerned.
                  What I saw from Roosy against Pies was a surprise as we haven't really seen him lose it like that but seriously, I wanted to run out there and slap them myself. They were AWFUL.
                  Who is the form player that hasn't been selected?
                  Originally posted by Hartijon
                  So many seem to think an untried or young player automatically means a player who will not be successful and ultimately cost us the game. Many posters here are serial offenders with this prejudice..
                  Ah "prejudice" - a favourite word of the serial hypocrite. You could level the same at those who think we should play every player under 22 each week irrespective of our opposition, injuries, form, ladder position, venue, knowledge of the game plan and structures, set moves etc.
                  Interestingly, I don't think anyone disputes the view that any one developing player in and of themselves will automatically cost us the game. It's the combination of too many of them at once and selecting them when their reserves form isn't demanding it that has many finding the selection policy this week reasonable. In addition, secret footballing business like training and other team requirements (attitude, homework, nutrition whatever) will also impact a players position in the waiting line for seniors. As none us here have any intimate knowledge of those things it's hard to judge who is most deserving over and above what we can actually observe in terms of reserves form or seniors form. I think you could have pulled the names out of a hat this week in terms of form to come up with the 22. Given the state of our squad, Bevo and Richards make sense as they do know and have more experience with the game plan and structures etc.
                  Discover another Hannebery? Well we could. But the fact that they aren't playing seniors already would indicate to me that there isn't anyone right now whose undeniable and obvious talents are withering on the vine right in front of our eyes. Vesz has clearly turned a good corner this year.I'm so pleased to see him getting himself on as an emergency regularly which tells us he is building his aerobic fitness and doing all the right things.
                  TDL has retained his spot, Bevo has not been selected over Smith at all this year nor Richards over Rohan and White has been persisted with. We've seen Jetta get a long long loooooonnnngggg go in the seniors without having an impact.
                  I would have thought that indicative of a change in selection policy over previous years.
                  Last edited by Lucky Knickers; 10 July 2010, 11:27 AM.

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                  • Hartijon
                    On the Rookie List
                    • May 2008
                    • 1536

                    "You could level the same at those who think we should play every player under 22 each week irrespective of our opposition, injuries, form, ladder position, venue, knowledge of the game plan and structures, set moves etc."

                    You could indeed if you could actually find someone who has EVER recommended the above. By misrepresenting those who you oppose you blow your own credibility.

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                    • RogueSwan
                      McVeigh for Brownlow
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 4602

                      Originally posted by hammo
                      ...
                      Robbo is right, Roos is forgoing the medium to long term future to scrape a finals appearance in his last year. Finishing 8th or 9th makes little difference but playing guys who won't be on the list next year ahead of possible 10 year players is ridiculous...
                      I think there is a HUGE difference between 8th and 9th. The more finals experience for our boys the better.
                      "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                      • Legs Akimbo
                        Grand Poobah
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 2809

                        Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
                        What I saw from Roosy against Pies was a surprise as we haven't really seen him lose it like that but seriously, I wanted to run out there and slap them myself. They were AWFUL.
                        Who is the form player that hasn't been selected? .
                        I struggly to understand why Bevan has been getting games ahead of anyone let alone Veszpremi and or Johnston. I confess to not be a reserves watcher, but based on 'bests' lists and goals kicked, the former should have spent more in the firsts and the latter should have been given a run by now but instead was pipped by Playfair, who was supposedly the 'kiddy captain' in the reserves and had performed at a lesser level.

                        I am not calling for wholesale changes, but reward for effort and merit. I think Vez will not be at the club next year, which is a pity. Maybe Roos just struggles to know how to manage 'brash / confident' players and prefers the the humble type. Maybe he thinks the best approach is to make these young brash confident players work harder for the same thing. Dunno.
                        He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                        • Hartijon
                          On the Rookie List
                          • May 2008
                          • 1536

                          Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                          I struggly to understand why Bevan has been getting games ahead of anyone let alone Veszpremi and or Johnston. I confess to not be a reserves watcher, but based on 'bests' lists and goals kicked, the former should have spent more in the firsts and the latter should have been given a run by now but instead was pipped by Playfair, who was supposedly the 'kiddy captain' in the reserves and had performed at a lesser level.

                          I am not calling for wholesale changes, but reward for effort and merit. I think Vez will not be at the club next year, which is a pity. Maybe Roos just struggles to know how to manage 'brash / confident' players and prefers the the humble type. Maybe he thinks the best approach is to make these young brash confident players work harder for the same thing. Dunno.
                          Its not easy to handle brash young men.I don't get too harsh on Roosey for having trouble with these guys and I think he is right in thinking individual sprays rarely work with young players.His decision to forget last week's game is also in my opinion the right decision for a young team, probably the wrong decision for a mature team.Roosey has proven he is a great coach of mature players. The jury is out whether he is an outstanding coach of youngsters.

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                          • Hartijon
                            On the Rookie List
                            • May 2008
                            • 1536

                            "Perhaps the real question is, which will do less harm, a slaughter of the hacks or a slaughter of the innocents?" dimelb


                            hehehehe........nice turn of phrase but I think you are a touch pessemistic.

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                            • Hartijon
                              On the Rookie List
                              • May 2008
                              • 1536

                              Originally posted by Go Swannies
                              We're not really sycophants - we just think he's a better coach than you and some of us get tired of sniping from the sidelines at a coach who is just trying to do his job of winning games of football while introducing younger players at a rate that won't break them or their spirit. Not rocket science really - but I guess it's easier to whine about how he's dudding the players, the fans - and probably the city of Sydney - than to offer balanced commentary.
                              Better coach than me? You sure know how to hurt a guy! "Sniping from the sidelines" Are you suggesting we go on the field and snipe,where else can you snipe from? I am assuming by sniping you mean "criticising" and criticism you don't agree with.Balanced commentary? On RWO? I am obviously missing something! I thought this was a forum to present your opinions and have people like you denounce them. Thats what makes it so much fun so keep it up!

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                              • Lucky Knickers
                                Fandom of Fabulousness
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 4220

                                Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                                I struggly to understand why Bevan has been getting games ahead of anyone let alone Veszpremi and or Johnston. I confess to not be a reserves watcher, but based on 'bests' lists and goals kicked, the former should have spent more in the firsts and the latter should have been given a run by now but instead was pipped by Playfair, who was supposedly the 'kiddy captain' in the reserves and had performed at a lesser level.

                                I am not calling for wholesale changes, but reward for effort and merit. I think Vez will not be at the club next year, which is a pity. Maybe Roos just struggles to know how to manage 'brash / confident' players and prefers the the humble type. Maybe he thinks the best approach is to make these young brash confident players work harder for the same thing. Dunno.
                                I wouldn't be calling Hanners or Rohan humble types.
                                Last edited by Lucky Knickers; 10 July 2010, 12:43 PM.

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