Round 18: Geelong pre-game discussion (With Teams)

[teddys mum]

Sigh? really?

Surely playing him is getting solid experience into him. Also he was pretty decent against Melbourne, least he had a crack.

Rohan and TDL are more deserved.

[Chilcott]

I agree Robbo. Playing the same team because they couldn't play any worse is an absolute disgrace.

For me, its pretty simple. If you don't perform, you get dropped. It is clear that there are a few who are a liability at the moment, but continue to get games.

Reid in for Richards, TDL in for Moore and putting some game time into Johnston would be a start.

[sWAns63]

Reid should of come in for Richards. Now is the time to get games into the young guys, not retain hacks.

It's a disgrace that nobody was dropped. It's not just embracing mediocrity, it's embracing pure @@@@ness.

Spot on, just the usual selection crap we've had most of the season

[Hartijon]

Effect on players

Roos has been a very popular coach for not acting on the obvious and trusting his players. I remember years ago him saying how players know when they make a clanger and don't need to be benched. He trusted his players to self adjust (even when they kicked to the opposition in front of goal in a GF).Now he is saying the same thing to the team. Basically YOU stuffed up last week now You make it up this week. As a player this surely must make you feel responsible and valued and should make you give your best this week. If they give their best and lose to Geelong that is still all you can ask,but if the Crows can beat Geelong then we certainly can. Overall its a risk to leave the team unchanged,some players may slacken off but the upside is that they give it their all this week.Good coaching move (if it works)

[rojo]

A bit of a surprise to read the Bevan commendations for last week. I sat right behind the goals and watched him pretty closely. While not having a replay to watch and conceding that memory can be a little subjective, to me he played great, standing beside his opponent while the ball was up the other end of the ground. As soon as it looked like coming forward his opponent just ran off him, time and time again with Bevan trailing a meter or two behind. About twice he acutally got close enough to get a hand on the ball but his opponent marked it anyway, and just once (from memory) he managed to get it to the ground. Instead of getting in and under he seemed more often to stand off and wait for the ball to come out. To me he definitely belonged in the player bin labelled 'pathectic'.

[Melbournehammer]

A bit of a surprise to read the Bevan commendations for last week. I sat right behind the goals and watched him pretty closely. While not having a replay to watch and conceding that memory can be a little subjective, to me he played great, standing beside his opponent while the ball was up the other end of the ground. As soon as it looked like coming forward his opponent just ran off him, time and time again with Bevan trailing a meter or two behind. About twice he acutally got close enough to get a hand on the ball but his opponent marked it anyway, and just once (from memory) he managed to get it to the ground. Instead of getting in and under he seemed more often to stand off and wait for the ball to come out. To me he definitely belonged in the player bin labelled 'pathectic'.

I guess its what the alternative might have been. Green kicked three goals and was marking easily before bevan was put on him. Thereafter green kicked one due to a long kick to the square where he was easily favoured by the kick. To say Bevan was poor may have been true on an objective basis - on a relative measure he was a lot better than what happened before that.

I remain of the view that he did OK last week in a team which was unbelievably bad. When everyone takes two steps backwards and you stand still you come to the fore pretty quickly.

[sWAns63]

Roos has been a very popular coach for not acting on the obvious and trusting his players. I remember years ago him saying how players know when they make a clanger and don't need to be benched. He trusted his players to self adjust (even when they kicked to the opposition in front of goal in a GF).Now he is saying the same thing to the team. Basically YOU stuffed up last week now You make it up this week. As a player this surely must make you feel responsible and valued and should make you give your best this week. If they give their best and lose to Geelong that is still all you can ask,but if the Crows can beat Geelong then we certainly can. Overall its a risk to leave the team unchanged,some players may slacken off but the upside is that they give it their all this week.Good coaching move (if it works)

Sadly I don't think think it will work we'll probably get another honorable loss and the coaching staff will look at it as an improvement from last week.One thing though the Swans didn't use much energy last week so maybe we're a 20/1 shot instead of a 50/1 shot and any one who has followed horse racing will know 20/1 shots do get up every now and then.

[Bas]

You can say that again.

[sWAns63]

You can say that again.

Did have some posting problems.............kiddy fingers on the keyboard

[hammo]

I actually like this move by Roos. Its like he's saying to the playing group...."you guys are the ones who put in that shocking performance last week, I'll leave it to the SAME bunch of guys to get us out of it".

That's fine except for the double standards on display. Some players have been dropped to the reserves this season after playing decent roles in winning sides.

If we get pummelled again then there is no excuses for significant changes to see out the season. Personally I'd like to see our first round draft picks from the last 3 years all playing seniors by the end of the year.

[CJK]

That's fine except for the double standards on display. Some players have been dropped to the reserves this season after playing decent roles in winning sides.

If we get pummelled again then there is no excuses for significant changes to see out the season. Personally I'd like to see our first round draft picks from the last 3 years all playing seniors by the end of the year.

Stealth 'Where is Vez!!' post...

[royboy42]

I agree Robbo. Playing the same team because they couldn't play any worse is an absolute disgrace.

For me, its pretty simple. If you don't perform, you get dropped. It is clear that there are a few who are a liability at the moment, but continue to get games.

Reid in for Richards, TDL in for Moore and putting some game time into Johnston would be a start.

I have a feeling Johnston is not flavor of the month this last couple of weeks. he was given a VERY tough run at training last week by the coaching staff.

[BSA5]

It's a disgrace that nobody was dropped. It's not just embracing mediocrity, it's embracing pure @@@@ness.

Who on earth would you drop? Who deserves to be dropped after that performance more than any other player? If you're going to drop anybody, you might as well drop the whole side. Aside from maybe 5 or 6 players, everybody else was equally horrible. It wasn't a few individual performances that cost us, so making a few individual changes will achieve nothing.

Dropping players isn't the only way to let them know that the performance was not satisfactory. It's not embracing it. It's putting the challenge to them: you've been given a chance to bounce back, so you had bloody well better take it.

The only change I would have been in favour of would have been Richards out for LRT if fit. LRT wasn't fit, so Richards stays in.

[DST]

I have a feeling Johnston is not flavor of the month this last couple of weeks. he was given a VERY tough run at training last week by the coaching staff.

That tells me he is very close to selection, maybe this week or the next.

The reserves had a bye last week, so anyone they flogged on the track last week was being seriously considered for senior seleciton this week.

DST

[Chookbilly]

Stealth 'Where is Vez!!' post...

I lol'd