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  • Snake
    On the Rookie List
    • Mar 2007
    • 330

    #61
    We have a forward structure???? I can't see it..........

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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      #62
      I've been complaing about this for a while and it was discussed yesterday at the game.
      And then low and behold it worked in the Last qtr, when they did it.

      Instead of these little dickie passes into the forward line trying to spot up a player, get it in long and high and let the forwards do their job: Mark the bloody thing. I reckon we had more marks I50, in the last q, than in the 1st 3.

      It gives the fwds a chance, and puts the defenders under pressure, especially when it is at the top of the goal square.
      How many times to we miss a target, in the pockets, and the defenders run it out with ease?

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      • Bloody Hell
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2006
        • 3085

        #63
        Originally posted by Triple B
        Considering the way he played in the two's, makes the reasoning immensily believable.

        If it turns out that they were BS'ing, then he did himself no favours with his performance on Saturday. He certainly played like somebody who wasn't quite right.
        They played Mumford and Jack who were underdone. Why not TDL?

        Any why isn't he playing this week?
        The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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        • Go Swannies
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2003
          • 5697

          #64
          We looked more like a real team tonight than I've seen for a few months. Goodes forward, Jesse back in the side - I don't know what it was but it was working. And we were kicking straight. I'll need to see the game on TV to decipher it but it was good to see.

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          • S120
            On the Rookie List
            • Apr 2011
            • 166

            #65
            Jesse at FF does make our structure much more effective and improves our side a lot IMO. Let him stay at FF. Allows space for Reid in front of him and if TDL can be brought back in, it lets TDL have a big body to get to the feet of. Players just need to have some more faith in him. Many times had one on one's last night but was ignored for lower % and shorter options. Give him a chance.

            And best of all, Goodes is allowed to stay in the middle.

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            • Bloody Hell
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2006
              • 3085

              #66
              McVeigh forward....who would have though that could work????

              My suspicion that someone from the Swan's coaching staff is trawling RWO is growing every week.
              The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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              • Bloody Hell
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2006
                • 3085

                #67
                TDL Grundy White
                McVeigh Reid McGlynn
                The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                • BRISWAN
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 304

                  #68
                  Grundy will save more goals then he will kick!

                  Our basic problem is moving the ball into the fwd 50 - far too slow.
                  This probably relates back to how we bring the ball out of the back line
                  and with LJ kicking in - we might have found an answer.

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                  • Dosser
                    Just wild about Harry
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1833

                    #69
                    Originally posted by BRISWAN
                    Grundy will save more goals then he will kick!

                    Our basic problem is moving the ball into the fwd 50 - far too slow.
                    This probably relates back to how we bring the ball out of the back line
                    and with LJ kicking in - we might have found an answer.
                    Agreed - we looked so much better with LJ putting it long to the centre and Seaby and Goodes taking marks then moving it on quickly. This is ALWAYS going to improve the look of our forward line and will make sure that we have at least one forward who can stay at home and not be caught up into the midfield press.

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                    • Melbournehammer
                      Senior Player
                      • May 2007
                      • 1815

                      #70
                      Originally posted by BRISWAN
                      Grundy will save more goals then he will kick!

                      Our basic problem is moving the ball into the fwd 50 - far too slow.
                      This probably relates back to how we bring the ball out of the back line
                      and with LJ kicking in - we might have found an answer.
                      Yes - all we need is an opposition to kick 21 points per game and then we might have a really good chance of playing well.

                      Lets see whether LJ can win his own ball back there and see whether that works first.

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                      • Auntie.Gerald
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6483

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Dosser
                        Agreed - we looked so much better with LJ putting it long to the centre and Seaby and Goodes taking marks then moving it on quickly. This is ALWAYS going to improve the look of our forward line and will make sure that we have at least one forward who can stay at home and not be caught up into the midfield press.
                        North Melb did it well the other week against the Bombers forward press !
                        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                        • Nich
                          Senior Player
                          • May 2010
                          • 1291

                          #72
                          I'd love to see NicMal delivering inside 50 more. He is normally pretty great and I don't recall seeing much of it lately when he has been in the team. Maybe a sign that we aren't patient enough with the ball? Or maybe just the team structure/positioning?

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                          • Hartijon
                            On the Rookie List
                            • May 2008
                            • 1536

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Go Swannies
                            We looked more like a real team tonight than I've seen for a few months. Goodes forward, Jesse back in the side - I don't know what it was but it was working. And we were kicking straight. I'll need to see the game on TV to decipher it but it was good to see.
                            Basically any forward sructure is better than none. Its like when you have a real job instead of a casual position.You are going to put more into it and take it seriously.Similarly if you are designated the FF of an AFL team. Shame its taken so long but the Horse lovers will argue injury and form lapse was the reason.They may be right too. However, every time I see TDL in the two's and Bevan and Everitt in the 1's I know its more than just that.

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                            • wolftone57
                              Veterans List
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 5861

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Hartijon
                              What is it? Our midfielders sometimes come under criticism for not hitting targets in the forwards but running into the Swans forward 50 must be a real lottery as to who you will have in front of you. Will Reid be there or up around the centre? Goodes? Pyke? (not for 4 weeks now) or will the Gopher pop up.Then there might be Jude, ROK,Everitt or runningplayers like Moore,MacVeigh. Each one would require a slightly different delivery.You don't want to kick it too high to the Gopher but a high ball would favour Reid's marking ability.
                              Our defense is solid and well structured,our forwards are unstructured. In that situation a long bomb is sometimes the best option. Can anyone explain how our forward line is supposed to work? It seems makeshift and chaotic to me and against Geelong it dissappeared altogether.
                              Often you see all the tall options run to the same side or area of the ground. That is a sure sign there isn't anyone directing traffic there. When Barry was there he would direct trafic & they would spread therefore opening up the options. The problem is they are bunched together & it seems as though there is a flood on but the problem is it is all on one part of the froward line.

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                              • wolftone57
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 5861

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Hartijon
                                Basically any forward sructure is better than none. Its like when you have a real job instead of a casual position.You are going to put more into it and take it seriously.Similarly if you are designated the FF of an AFL team. Shame its taken so long but the Horse lovers will argue injury and form lapse was the reason.They may be right too. However, every time I see TDL in the two's and Bevan and Everitt in the 1's I know its more than just that.
                                Bevo was running around like chook with his head cut off Saturday he looked lost. That may have been due to structural problems but !!! Everritt I wory about, he came the the Bullies with big wraps & as a high daft pick & has been very disappointing. Can't play him in the backline 'cos he leaks like sieve, play him forward & he is ineffective. White still got bodied out of the contest too easily & didn't produce. We have problems in the forwardline & TDL is one of the solutions but not all as I think it is structural. spread & create was the mantra under Roos but now it seems to be bunch up & all run to the same spot following either Goodes or Reid. Reid often had 3 or 4 flying against him because all our players drew their opponents to his contests. The same applies to Goodes

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