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  • Snake
    On the Rookie List
    • Mar 2007
    • 330

    Originally posted by aardvark
    Welcome aboard rojames. I don't disagree we lack sped but I don't see how Bulldog will help solve that problem. I too would be happy to see LRT at FB and Teddy as the 3rd tall defender, a role he plays so well.
    Longmire wants toughness around the ball then speed 2nd, Moore @@@@'s over Jetta in the strength department!

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    • Hartijon
      On the Rookie List
      • May 2008
      • 1536

      Originally posted by Snake
      Longmire wants toughness around the ball then speed 2nd, Moore @@@@'s over Jetta in the strength department!
      I don't mind that much what players are tried as a forward structure,my beef is that we haven't tried to settle a Forward line in place and therefore can't threaten good sides because we struggle to score and deliver poorly to whoever happens to be in the forwards.

      LRT is a defender playing man on man with his defender,amusing at times but at least he gives it 100% and traps the ball. "Trapping the ball in the forwards" is the politest way to say a player has no attacking skills. He holds the ball there for those that do.

      As someone said tick them off but at least have a go ,otherwise it has been a wasted year! Ok injuries have not helped but Seaby or Currie could have been tried.Both can mark ,kick straight and are tall. They even lead which is a rarity to see in the Swans Forward line.

      I agree, we seem to be playing time out till a power forward is recruited.

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      • Snake
        On the Rookie List
        • Mar 2007
        • 330

        I would luv to see a small/medium swans player step up be more like a Chapman from Geelong, he's not that quick but so strong and a great decision maker

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        • SPC
          Pushing for Selection
          • Jan 2011
          • 95

          Originally posted by Hartijon
          It comes back to the same point. There has not been a genuine attempt to structure a Forward line. Even people singing LRT's praises admit he is a temporary solution only.Has he ever been seen to lead? Candidates for a permanent FF spot are of course Seaby, Pyke, Spangher,Currie or Reid (With someone else at CHF) .We are paying the price now for lack of foresight, planning and no risk taking early in the season. I blame unimaginative coaching.
          Agree that it would be nice to see a settled forward line that works really well, but when I sit down every weekend and watch our games thats not what hits me in the face as the major concern with our team. Maybe I look at different things to others and obviously the forward setup is important in a functioning team, but at the moment to me its just p***ing around the edges compared to the real problems in the current squad. I dont think if we had Plugger back in his prime we would have won on the weekend because even with his leads the delivery coming in would have been bouncing in front of him, over his head, too slow, an up and under that gives time to 2 other defenders to get to the contest, or any other poor way you can think of to get it there. Compared to the class teams & even some of the others below our level, our Midfield just look so lacking in basic kicking skills, handballing skills, decision making ability, working off the ball to get into space, pace, etc, etc, etc that our forwards dont get a chance to get decent leads at the ball because the delivery is so rubbish.

          To address your specific last post thou, remembering that we are down a proper FF (Bradshaw) on the list without a shot being fired, havent most of the choices you have put up been tried except for Currie? I havent seen him play in the Ressies so cant comment, but I think he is now injured as well. White (the other FF on our list) started there & didnt come up, Pyke in then injured just coming back now, Spanger played one game forward then injured, Seaby/Mumford as resting ruck (I do think this would be worthwhile, but most others seem to think we cant have them both in the side with the sub rule), LJ had a game forward (I would have liked to see more of him) but then injured anyway, LRT bandaid due to lack of other choices (and some would say imaginative solution to a hole that nobody else made their own)...so a few have been tried?

          The other way to look at it is how would Collingwoods forward line function with the delivery they would get from our Midfield? Or, the other way around, how many goals would Sam Reid & any one of the options above kick with service from Swan, Pendelbury, Thomas, etc, etc? Plus their midfield, like the other good ones these days go forward and kick their own goals as well rather than relying on just a standard FF setup.

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          • Jewels
            On the Rookie List
            • Oct 2006
            • 3258

            Originally posted by SPC
            Agree that it would be nice to see a settled forward line that works really well, but when I sit down every weekend and watch our games thats not what hits me in the face as the major concern with our team. Maybe I look at different things to others and obviously the forward setup is important in a functioning team, but at the moment to me its just p***ing around the edges compared to the real problems in the current squad. I dont think if we had Plugger back in his prime we would have won on the weekend because even with his leads the delivery coming in would have been bouncing in front of him, over his head, too slow, an up and under that gives time to 2 other defenders to get to the contest, or any other poor way you can think of to get it there. Compared to the class teams & even some of the others below our level, our Midfield just look so lacking in basic kicking skills, handballing skills, decision making ability, working off the ball to get into space, pace, etc, etc, etc that our forwards dont get a chance to get decent leads at the ball because the delivery is so rubbish.
            Spot on. We could have Jackie boy and Buddy running around in our forward 50 and they still wouldn't be able to kick us a score cause our midfield is complete and utter GARBAGE!!!!

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            • Lucky Knickers
              Fandom of Fabulousness
              • Oct 2003
              • 4220

              Originally posted by aardvark
              Welcome aboard rojames. I don't disagree we lack sped but I don't see how Bulldog will help solve that problem. I too would be happy to see LRT at FB and Teddy as the 3rd tall defender, a role he plays so well.
              My thoughts. I do think we miss Moore's brain, direction and smarts but his speed is going to hurt us on the rebound.

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              • Wardy
                The old Boiler!
                • Sep 2003
                • 6676

                I'm kind of glad I didnt see the game at all now - only heard the last quarter in the car - so I wont be watching the replay then. the ressies were much more entertaining.
                I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                • Rob-bloods
                  What a year 2005 SSFC/CFC
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 931

                  Originally posted by Wardy
                  I'm kind of glad I didnt see the game at all now - only heard the last quarter in the car - so I wont be watching the replay then. the ressies were much more entertaining.
                  On no account watch it.....don't even read the stats..they are also morbid!
                  Sports do not build character. They reveal it....Heywood Broun

                  I always turn to the sports pages first, which record people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures......Earl Warren

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                  • Hartijon
                    On the Rookie List
                    • May 2008
                    • 1536

                    Originally posted by Jewels
                    Spot on. We could have Jackie boy and Buddy running around in our forward 50 and they still wouldn't be able to kick us a score cause our midfield is complete and utter GARBAGE!!!!
                    YES and No! We would get used to Buddy and Jackie and after a couple of games find them regularly with kicks. My point is an unsettled forward line directly affects the mid field who have no idea how they will need to kick the ball each time they get it. With Buddy there you could close your eyes and still find him. Its a bit of a chicken versus egg argument but as an ex midfielder I would LOVE to see the same guys in front of me every week.You know where to put the ball.Currently the best way to kick into the Swans forward line is to bomb it in.

                    My other criticism is the lack of on field leadership. Deserves its own thread IMO

                    The other

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                    • Triple B
                      Formerly 'BBB'
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6999

                      Originally posted by Hartijon
                      With Buddy there you could close your eyes and still find him......
                      Someone needs to tell ROK that Buddy is not down there then, he appears to have followed that mantra for the past 2 seasons...
                      Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                      • Hartijon
                        On the Rookie List
                        • May 2008
                        • 1536

                        Originally posted by Triple B
                        Someone needs to tell ROK that Buddy is not down there then, he appears to have followed that mantra for the past 2 seasons...
                        Hehehe! Good one!

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                        • aardvark
                          Veterans List
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 5685

                          I'd give White and Spangher a pass mark today. Now if we can just get organised............

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                          • Robbo
                            On the Rookie List
                            • May 2007
                            • 2946

                            Spangher has a real dip which is great to see. Can Spangher, Reid and White all be in the one forward line though?

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                            • Bloody Hell
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3085

                              Originally posted by Robbo
                              Spangher has a real dip which is great to see. Can Spangher, Reid and White all be in the one forward line though?
                              Yes. This is the setup most forward lines seem to be following atm. A FF, CHF and the 2nd ruckman.

                              Could easily kicked 23.10 today...so the setup worked.

                              Love to see some straight kicking.
                              The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16733

                                None of the three had huge games but they all presented well.

                                Jesse's first half, in particular, was very promising even though he didn't comvert (which generally hasn't been his problem). I also liked Jesse's efforts in the ruck. He looked like he was doing more than just putting his body in the contest. He was actually trying to direct the taps to his midfielders.

                                I had Spangher written off half way through the season. He was recruited as a back-up defender, couldn't get his body right, and then young Johnson lept out of the blocks much quicker than anyone could have anticipated. But ever since being moved to the forward line for the reserves, he seems to be really relishing his second chance at AFL footy. He possibly won't ever be more than just handy, but he certainly competed well today, especially in the second half.

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