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Team doctor and physio not accountable but the coach is? Surely they provided direct advice and should be considered the ultimate authority? Also Hawthorn rucked a lot in the last few weeks with Roughead who is by no means a specialist. In fact I'd call that like for like with LRT.1) The way he has handled Mummy...he came off a limited pre season, after finishing last year with 2 bung knees, and was thrown straight in and required to run out games as the number 1 ruckman. Then when his backup Pyke went down, instead of bringing in the player they recruited as their number 1 ruckmen, Seaby, he brought in an underdone LRT, a deadest defender, and ask him to play backup ruckman/ forward. He's a pinch hitter in the ruck even when fully match fit. Thus leaving Mumford with an even bigger work load. Surprise , surprise, he's got a sore knee, which sounds like the injury from last year flaring up...that's never a good sign long term. Terrible player management.
He's played 36 games as a wing/backman with the Dogs previously so its not really that surprising particularly with no LRT and no Tadgh for some. He played forward last week, was rubbish and got dropped.....2) Playing Everitt in defence for 5 or 6 games when his only decent quarter of footy was as a forward.
I hate this logic. He's picked for a lot more than what happens on the field. We see 100 mins of footy a week and you judge him on that. Surely he's there for what he does around the club all week.4) Appointing McVeigh as co captain, a most uninspiring choice, which so far is looking like a stuff up that's going to be hard, if not impossible, to reverse with out having a negative effect on the team.
This is the way footy has evolved, particularly in the era of the sub. Other young forward prospects such as Tippet, Hawkins etc all get involved in the ruck on a regular basis. He should be a fairly mobile tall and is actually good around his feet. If he's good enough he should be able to make a go of it, if anything it could have made him execeptionally valuable.5) Not letting White settle into one position as a key forward, (or IMO as a key defender) and continuing to play him in the ruck, where he performs like a blind chicken. You could see him loosing confidence with every spell in the ruck.
I really don't get this.... That means we should drop another player just so that a player that is judged as the 22nd best selection can get some confidence? What about what that does to the confidence of the guy dropped down to sub (who more likely than not is a young player with only a few games to their name).7) Sub selections, IMO only one has effectively helped the team in 8 or 9 games. But my biggest beef here is using a 1st gamer. Where the chance of them having a positive impact on the result is negligible. They need a full game to settle into the pace and intensity, and hopefully gain some confidence.
First of all, you realise there's a match selection committee right? It's not just the coach. Second, Seaby's a ruckman, weren't you complaining about playing White out of position? His career average is just over half a goal a game and he's never averaged a goal a game for a season and doesn't seem to have bagged many in the reserves. I can't see how he's the answer.8) I'll add one more I overlooked, our complete lack of forward structure..It's been woeful, playing LRT forward, Mattner forward at times, what a joke while, while Seaby, White, Johnson, TDL all languish in the 2's...pushing at best coming from a headcoach who was a key forward...Comment
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Here are the facts:
Longmire 200 games
Blakey 359 games
Dew 206 games
Maxfield 285 games
Tudor 68 games
McPherson 111 games
Playfair 68 games
TOTAL: 1136 games of league footy.
TOTAL for this forum (to my knowledge) = 0 games league footy.
How about the snipers of Longmire and the coaching panel put down their poison pens (keyboards!) and realise that they know exactly SFA about how a team should operate and be grateful that we are in the 8 while playing kids after years of constant success!Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.Comment
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McPherson no longer there. Irrelevant to the argument I suppose. You could also add Craig Holden to the list.Comment
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Team doctor and physio not accountable but the coach is? Surely they provided direct advice and should be considered the ultimate authority? Also Hawthorn rucked a lot in the last few weeks with Roughead who is by no means a specialist. In fact I'd call that like for like with LRT.
2) Playing Everitt in defence for 5 or 6 games when his only decent quarter of footy was as a forward.
He's played 36 games as a wing/backman with the Dogs previously so its not really that surprising particularly with no LRT and no Tadgh for some. He played forward last week, was rubbish and got dropped.....
4) Appointing McVeigh as co captain, a most uninspiring choice, which so far is looking like a stuff up that's going to be hard, if not impossible, to reverse with out having a negative effect on the team.
I hate this logic. He's picked for a lot more than what happens on the field. We see 100 mins of footy a week and you judge him on that. Surely he's there for what he does around the club all week.
5) Not letting White settle into one position as a key forward, (or IMO as a key defender) and continuing to play him in the ruck, where he performs like a blind chicken. You could see him loosing confidence with every spell in the ruck.
This is the way footy has evolved, particularly in the era of the sub. Other young forward prospects such as Tippet, Hawkins etc all get involved in the ruck on a regular basis. He should be a fairly mobile tall and is actually good around his feet. If he's good enough he should be able to make a go of it, if anything it could have made him execeptionally valuable.
7) Sub selections, IMO only one has effectively helped the team in 8 or 9 games. But my biggest beef here is using a 1st gamer. Where the chance of them having a positive impact on the result is negligible. They need a full game to settle into the pace and intensity, and hopefully gain some confidence.
I really don't get this.... That means we should drop another player just so that a player that is judged as the 22nd best selection can get some confidence? What about what that does to the confidence of the guy dropped down to sub (who more likely than not is a young player with only a few games to their name).
8) I'll add one more I overlooked, our complete lack of forward structure..It's been woeful, playing LRT forward, Mattner forward at times, what a joke while, while Seaby, White, Johnson, TDL all languish in the 2's...pushing at best coming from a headcoach who was a key forward...
First of all, you realise there's a match selection committee right? It's not just the coach. Second, Seaby's a ruckman, weren't you complaining about playing White out of position? His career average is just over half a goal a game and he's never averaged a goal a game for a season and doesn't seem to have bagged many in the reserves. I can't see how he's the answer.
1) Did you bother to read my opening comment or just conveniently overlooked it? I clearly acknowledged that others are involved in most decision making but Horse is the headcoach, this has not been an injury related decision, just over working a player who had a limited pre seasonbuck stops with him, proofs in the pudding, he is now being rested. What has Roughies form, and ability in the ruck, got to do with swans selections??
2) Yep, played wing/ HBF for the Dogs and went so well there they traded him.
4) And I hate your logic..I never saw what...Carrol, Kelly, Maxfield or Kirk did around the club either...but it was clear watching them game day, and in the press, they were all great leaders, who inspired their teammates.
5) I actually like white, but he has never impressed in the ruck, IMO he's a key position player.
7) Completely disagree, a more established player should be better equipped to slot in when required and pick up the tempo etc of the game, and therefore be far more likely to have a positive impact on the result in a close pressured game.
8) Once again conveniently ignoring my opening comments.
As for Seaby, yes he's a ruckmen first ,pinch hitter up forward second, as 0.5 goals per game shows....LRT is a defender, what's his average goals per game? I'd imagine about 0 .01.Last edited by ernie koala; 27 May 2011, 05:35 PM.Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MTComment
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Wow! What a thread! Makes me think we need a very big win on Saturday to clear the waters. Sure I never played league but one of my best mates did and I notched up 250 games in the country and coached BUT....what the heck does that matter?? Everybody is entitled to their opinion and many of my mates fellow players were somewhat lacking in grey matter so don't think they necessarliy know more than the fans. Women also can't exactly play league can they yet their opinion is worthwhile too.Comment
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Snipers..? please. People are commenting , with their opinions on what they see. Maybe we all should just backslap each other, and the team, regardless of what we see and think, and never comment on anything about the footy because we're not on the team, and if we do have the arrogance to have an opinion, we'll keep it to ourselves. What an interesting fun forum this would be.Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MTComment
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As long as we all realise that when making opinions we aren't privy to all the facts that the inner sanctum of the club has.Apart from that post away people. From a person who played 456 games of AFL footy
on the playstation I think Horse has done a reasonable job although if we get beat by North I want his head on a bloody platter and paraded down George St.
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I hate posts like this.
Just because you are good at playing football, doesn't mean you are good at analysing or coaching football. Also, just because you haven't played football at the highest level, doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.
Most posts critical of Longmire have valid reasons. They are probably areas Longmire himself is working on. Not sure how this is sniping.Comment
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