Sydney v Nth Melbourne Gameday Thread - Jetta sub

[wolftone57]

I would rather see Ted used as a ruckman on the odd occasion and if goes forward we know he can take a mark and lead whereas LRT has always been a backman. I think maybe clubs are making Ted a bit more accountable but he has been good and LRT back there again takes pressure off him. I think Parker is more of a quick version of Sam Mitchell.

Teddy has rucked in the past but I would prefer to have a specialist ruckman. I don't know what all this robbing Peter to pay Paul is all about at one stage we only had 2 reserves & then 3 before we got 4 & we still managed to play 2 rucks. I like Currie as an option because he can go forward, either centre Half or FF & he knows how to find a goal. Let's face it LRT has never been much in front of the big sticks, his Career Goal Tally 16 ( they don't list the points but they would definitely outdo them). Parker looks like Shane Woewoden but plays like Barry Mitchell, Sammy Mitchell is more in & under. How about this for a team just for fun;

B: Alex Johnson Reg Grundy Byron Sumner

HB: Marty Mattner Campbell Heath Nick Malceski

c: Lewis Jetta Josh Kennedy Dan Hannaberry

HF: Adam Goodes Lewis Johnston Trent Dennis-Lane

F: Bennt McGlinn Sam Reid Dan Currie

Foll: Shane Mumford Nick Smith Kieran Jack

Res: Craig Bird, Luke parker, Jed Jamb, Gary Rohan

Em: Dillon McNeil, Kane Murphy, Paul Bevan, Merridith, White & Everritt

[wolftone57]

By the way Mattner & Goodes would not be there in 3 years.

[wolftone57]

50 hit outs - wow amazing. (irony)

and goldy kicked how many goals, took how many marks, did so much link up.

dont get me wrong - north scored 4 goals from stoppages - 4 of 9 is 45% but 4 of 50 is 8%. The reality is that he won taps but thats about it - and the taps were helpful to north but didn't really make that much difference.

I simply dont think hitting the ball 50 times means all that much. it might have if the ball went straight down someones throat and went racing down towards goal. but it simply didnt. and around the ground seaby took some important marks and his opponent didnt.

he won a few taps. that is not dominating.

Hammer get real, they killed us in the clearances, they almost doubled our inside 50's which was due chiefly to winning the ruck contests. He also took the same amount of marks as our two rucks put together. We missed Mummy & Seabs is no replacement. I still think we need to start blooding Dan Currie. Seaby took 4 marks for the game our big men need to do batter then that after all that is one of the things they are there for.

[Untamed Snark]

I agree with you Nico, LRT down back where he belongs, Teddy is starting to doubt himself again it is time for a rest in the 2's. Teddy has been very good since a rest in the 2's last year & it doesn't hurt to remind them or put them back to get confidence. Parker has to be perservered with as he has the talent & is reasonably solid, he reminds me of Barry Mitchel. I also agree on the coaching but I think Currie should come in as he is ready & he knows how to throw his weight around to protect his small players. We don't want to lose this kid I think he has ability if not consistency (better this year by all reports) & sometimes that comes with maturity.

You are kidding right? A moment of uncertainty and you have him in the reserves?

[BSA5]

50 hit outs - wow amazing. (irony)

and goldy kicked how many goals, took how many marks, did so much link up.

dont get me wrong - north scored 4 goals from stoppages - 4 of 9 is 45% but 4 of 50 is 8%. The reality is that he won taps but thats about it - and the taps were helpful to north but didn't really make that much difference.

I simply dont think hitting the ball 50 times means all that much. it might have if the ball went straight down someones throat and went racing down towards goal. but it simply didnt. and around the ground seaby took some important marks and his opponent didnt.

he won a few taps. that is not dominating.

Take a look at the effective hitout stats as well. And clearances. And inside 50s.

Goldstein well and truly dominated Seaby. To think otherwise is bizarre.

[aardvark]

. and around the ground seaby took some important marks and his opponent didnt.

I'm sure all 3 of them were very important ....as were his 5 possessions. If he could still raise a trot after 3/4 time he may even have got a couple more.

[wolftone57]

You are kidding right? A moment of uncertainty and you have him in the reserves?

Some players are confidence players & if they start to doubt themselves it only gets worse. To go back & get a few wins would do the confidence a lot of good. This is the second week running he has been smashed by an opponent, time to get him some confidence & then bring him back. I am not saying he is playing very badly but history teaches us lessons & at the start of last year Teddy's confidence was shot & it could happen again if he gets the wrong match up all the time. By the way I blame Longmire for that, he should never have matched him to Petrie in the first place. It doesn't take much to shatter confidence & getting monsters you have no hope of beating every week is one way to do it. He plays well on the second or third stringer medium to tall not on MONSTERS!

[giant]

+1 from me.
Stayed off too many tackles today, too. Needs to work on his defense.

Both the Thompson goals, Goodes effort was very weak indeed. Need to tell him to have the week off training and find his mojo again.

[giant]

Agree Liz. It should be pretty clear by now that Grundy is best against larger, slower opponents who rely on their marking (even if they are a lot taller) he is simply gifted at reading the flight of the ball and jostling at the same time with his 102Kg.He is not so great agianst the more nimbe fowards but we now also hve Johnston to take on these guys. Grundy made a great combo with LRT down back last year until LRT was injured. With LRT back we could use Ted's ability around the ground or up forward where we are taking vey few marks.

If it's obvious to us, why do the coaching staff keep getting the wrong match up? Two weeks in a row they've got it horribly wrong.

[ScottH]

Both the Thompson goals, Goodes effort was very weak indeed. Need to tell him to have the week off training and find his mojo again.

The baffling bit with his second goal, both Goodes and Hanners went to his right side, Thompson turned left and they both missed him.

[CureTheSane]

I like Seaby, but as soon as the game started he looked to be struggling.
Obviously he wasn't but it looked that way. I just put it down to him expecting roos to be giving him a big run on the day.
Anyway, he was very very average IMO and had better get his game on with big Mike in teh wings.
very hard game to watch.
The biggest excitement I had was betting with my friend (a North supporter) on goal attempts - $5 bet per goal.
Ends up that we broke even with both of our sides missing pretty much every 50/50 shot as well as the easy ones.
Smacked of the Hawks game at the G last year and I half expected the same result.
The last 3 or 4 minutes smacked of the 2005 GF - just praying.

[DST]

The baffling bit with his second goal, both Goodes and Hanners went to his right side, Thompson turned left and they both missed him.

I used to get the opportunity to sit down with an AFL player every other week and go through with them their footage on likely opponents and run through their set list of instructions.

You would be amazed to how much detail goes into pre game instructions about presferred harbits etc for specific opponents.

One of his last games was against Adelaide and Nigel Smart was his opponent. He kicked three in the first half on him, doing exactly what Nigel didn't like and all I can think was that was the intel working at it's best.

Anyway, the reason why I raised it was a couple of times Goodes (and others) went to the back of Scott Thomson when he had the ball during the game, leading me to comment to a friend at the game that it would have been instruction more than natural instinct.

DST

[Xie Shan]

The last 3 or 4 minutes smacked of the 2005 GF - just praying.

Yeah can't believe we defended a 1-point lead for so long with nearly 7 minutes to go, it was insane. But I don't see it an omen of 2005. I think that what happened was because they knew they weren't playing great attacking footy, they were forced to go back to their defensive instincts and turned it into a war of attrition, playing the percentages. It wasn't pretty but in this instance, it was damn effective. It still doesn't hide the fact that we have a lot of deficiencies still.

[giant]

The last 3 or 4 minutes smacked of the 2005 GF - just praying.

Except that day we were playing for the flag - this time we were playing the team that lost to the bottom side last week. I'll admit after the McGlynn goal I left the room (actually took the Sherrin down to the park to get some frustrations out!) - staggered me to come back and find out we'd won without scoring another point in the last 10 mins.

Sigh, it will get better won't it doc?

[Young Blood]

I have been a big LRT supporter. But Ted has been too good at FB this year to be moved. If Ted keeps performing, and if Mumford + Pyke/Seaby are fit, I can't fit LRT in my 22.