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  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    #16
    Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
    As his profile rises, more opponents are going to work out his baulk, and his lack of leg speed will make that pretty fatal.
    But even if they work out his baulk they still have to counter the speed and accuracy of those hands.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    • royboy42
      Senior Player
      • Apr 2006
      • 2076

      #17
      Originally posted by stellation
      He's had that his whole career, with the amount of professionalism in the game nowadays I'd be very suprised if teams weren't already aware of it. Baulks/sidesteps executed well (and he does do it well) get a reflex action, it's very difficult to train it into people's heads to avoid.
      I agree that it's almost impossible to train against it. Especially when LRT pulls it out as on Sat night!

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      • Captain
        Captain of the Side
        • Feb 2004
        • 3602

        #18
        Was his best game by far. Needs to string them together now.

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        • stellation
          scott names the planets
          • Sep 2003
          • 9718

          #19
          Originally posted by royboy42
          I agree that it's almost impossible to train against it. Especially when LRT pulls it out as on Sat night!
          Can you imagine the mulling over that will cause for scouts? They'll make a note of "LRT is full of tricks, has the ball on a string- watch for him to be creative!" then have to contemplate for a while just whether they actually submit that for analysis with his next likely opponent.
          I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
          We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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          • stellation
            scott names the planets
            • Sep 2003
            • 9718

            #20
            Originally posted by Captain
            Was his best game by far. Needs to string them together now.
            I reckon that he probably just has!
            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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            • Legs Akimbo
              Grand Poobah
              • Apr 2005
              • 2809

              #21
              Originally posted by stellation
              He's had that his whole career, with the amount of professionalism in the game nowadays I'd be very suprised if teams weren't already aware of it. Baulks/sidesteps executed well (and he does do it well) get a reflex action, it's very difficult to train it into people's heads to avoid.
              Robert Harvey did well out of his his baulk over 350 games. Was effective in his last game as his first. Birdy's baulk is BETTER than Harvey's. The people who questioned the quality of Bird are not that cluey to be honest. I said it a while back. Bird is the most pure footballer on our list and will achieve great things for the Swans over the next decade.
              He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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              • DeadlyAkkuret
                Veterans List
                • Oct 2006
                • 4547

                #22
                Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                Robert Harvey did well out of his his baulk over 350 games. Was effective in his last game as his first. Birdy's baulk is BETTER than Harvey's. The people who questioned the quality of Bird are not that cluey to be honest. I said it a while back. Bird is the most pure footballer on our list and will achieve great things for the Swans over the next decade.
                I agree with this, and he's one of quite a few on our list who just look like "pure footballers". Hannebery is another, along with Reid, AJ, TDL, Kennedy, Smith etc. They're no nonsense sort of players and the fact that they're all so young is very exciting for our future.

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                • Margie
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 800

                  #23
                  Bird has always impressed me and the admiration is growing.

                  He is an excellent reader of the game (as I also think TDL, Hannebery, Smith, AJ and the two ex-Hawthorn boys are).

                  Further improvement will give us a very good team and add to the brilliance of the longer-term players like Jack, Goodes, Bolton, O'Keefe, Kennelly (et al, backline) and LRT.

                  Good signs indeed!

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                  • GoRhino
                    Pushing for Selection
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 68

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
                    Robert Harvey did well out of his his baulk over 350 games. Was effective in his last game as his first. Birdy's baulk is BETTER than Harvey's. The people who questioned the quality of Bird are not that cluey to be honest. I said it a while back. Bird is the most pure footballer on our list and will achieve great things for the Swans over the next decade.
                    Some big calls here brother! Let's hope he gathers a yard or two in pace and your prediction may come true.

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                    • Go Swannies
                      Veterans List
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 5697

                      #25
                      Originally posted by GoRhino
                      Some big calls here brother! Let's hope he gathers a yard or two in pace and your prediction may come true.
                      There are a lot of faster players than the best smart players, who have a lot more impact. I only got to watch the game again last night and much of our improvement was that Bird and TDL kept finding space. I was amazed to see that we were still making lots of mistakes but stickier hands (esp Goodes') and the imput of Bird and TDL just made us a lot more dangerous. In Q3 we looked lost for a while - and that was when Bird was being patched up (and came back with reduced impact). A comparison with Harvey is not out of place - especially considering the footy that Bird has missed.

                      If you are after big calls, I'd say that we can finish Top 4 if Bird stays fit, TDL keeps settling in and Jack comes back. Mummy back will be the cream on top. If Reid starts kicking true to match his great marking anything is possible.

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                      • Baudo
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 2

                        #26
                        My old man told me about this thread and I am just bringing it back to the top and posting my two bob because I can. Bird is not in Harvey's league and never will be. You don't always judge a player by their achievements but the guy was a consecutive Brownlow Medalist and won the E.J.Whitten Medal 3 times. His hips were and still are the best in the game and to say Bird can baulk like him is almost discriminating against the legend. Bird will come of age, but he needs a turn of speed bcause he so often gets caught out because of how slow he is.

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                        • BSA5
                          Senior Player
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 2522

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Baudo
                          My old man told me about this thread and I am just bringing it back to the top and posting my two bob because I can. Bird is not in Harvey's league and never will be. You don't always judge a player by their achievements but the guy was a consecutive Brownlow Medalist and won the E.J.Whitten Medal 3 times. His hips were and still are the best in the game and to say Bird can baulk like him is almost discriminating against the legend. Bird will come of age, but he needs a turn of speed bcause he so often gets caught out because of how slow he is.
                          Name one moment this year he has been caught due to a lack of speed.
                          Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                          • dimelb
                            pr. dim-melb; m not f
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6889

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Baudo
                            My old man told me about this thread and I am just bringing it back to the top and posting my two bob because I can. Bird is not in Harvey's league and never will be. You don't always judge a player by their achievements but the guy was a consecutive Brownlow Medalist and won the E.J.Whitten Medal 3 times. His hips were and still are the best in the game and to say Bird can baulk like him is almost discriminating against the legend. Bird will come of age, but he needs a turn of speed bcause he so often gets caught out because of how slow he is.
                            Oh, I think Tommy's fast enough. He is a handball wizard, he's got such a subtle fist, that short, slow and solid kid sure fires a mean handball. (With acknowledgements to Rogue Swan).
                            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                            • Legs Akimbo
                              Grand Poobah
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 2809

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Baudo
                              My old man told me about this thread and I am just bringing it back to the top and posting my two bob because I can. Bird is not in Harvey's league and never will be. You don't always judge a player by their achievements but the guy was a consecutive Brownlow Medalist and won the E.J.Whitten Medal 3 times. His hips were and still are the best in the game and to say Bird can baulk like him is almost discriminating against the legend. Bird will come of age, but he needs a turn of speed bcause he so often gets caught out because of how slow he is.
                              The comparison was in regards to his balk.
                              He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                              • dimelb
                                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 6889

                                #30
                                Bump.
                                Interesting comment from Ben McGlynn:
                                Which of your teammates most impressed you?

                                Craig Bird is someone that doesn?t get as much recognition as he should. He had a good year and he was tagging a bit early on too. He and Rhyce Shaw were shutting a lot of blokes down early in the year. Sam Reid is another one that impressed me and I expect to see more exciting things from him.
                                From his season wrap on the club website.
                                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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