2012 trade targets

[Nico]

It was hinted at in some newspaper articles that his off-field work and preparation wasn't as good as the Swans would have liked.

Maybe his off field work was "too good".

[wolftone57]

Would depend on how the contract is structured, but generally a player is entitled to be paid his contracted amount, regardless. If he did have a third year on his contract, his retirement will likely trigger this amount to be included in the current year's salary cap. Seems a little odd that this is stipulated, but it is why Voss' career ending injury caused the Lions problems and forced them to keep him on their list for the final year of his contract, despite the fact they knew he wasn't going to play. I suspect it might also be why Fosdike delayed his retirement until the start of 2009 - ie the Swans salary cap for 2008 wouldn't allow him to retire at the end of that year. There is an injury allowance that provides clubs with some relief for a player retiring with another year or more to go on his contract but it isn't unlimited.

I think you will find that contracts will fall under the corporate law of which ever state the contracting club is registered in. If the Swans are a registered sporting club in NSW then contracts fall under NSW Corporate & Contract Law. If we are looking at a Federal Workplace agreement then this is different but I am led to believe we are talking about business contracts for the services of a contractor. These then fall under contract law. Under NSW Contract Law if a party fails to complete a contract then the value of the failed contract is forfiet. With the provisions of the AFL Players Association re retiring players Braddy would receive a retirement payment.
I find it difficult to believe that Brisbane had to keep Voss on its books for a whole year as an injured player as this type of contractual obligation is restraint of trade & also in contravention of State Law both in NSW & QLD.

[wolftone57]

On trade targets what about the ones we should be looking to offload? Jesse White? Jared Moore? Tadhg? LRT? Teddy? Just asking who do people want to replace? Ryano would still give us a decent draft pick to the right side, say Melb, Port, GWS or Suns.

i think Sheedy would be interested in Jesse as he has had experience with difficult big blokes before.

So if you are going to look at who comes them who goes?

[liz]

I think you will find that contracts will fall under the corporate law of which ever state the contracting club is registered in. If the Swans are a registered sporting club in NSW then contracts fall under NSW Corporate & Contract Law. If we are looking at a Federal Workplace agreement then this is different but I am led to believe we are talking about business contracts for the services of a contractor. These then fall under contract law. Under NSW Contract Law if a party fails to complete a contract then the value of the failed contract is forfiet. With the provisions of the AFL Players Association re retiring players Braddy would receive a retirement payment.
I find it difficult to believe that Brisbane had to keep Voss on its books for a whole year as an injured player as this type of contractual obligation is restraint of trade & also in contravention of State Law both in NSW & QLD.

I would imagine that AFL contracts fall under the auspices of the CBA.

That Brisbane had to keep Voss on their list for a year after they knew he wouldn't be playing is a matter of record.

[wolftone57]

I would imagine that AFL contracts fall under the auspices of the CBA.

That Brisbane had to keep Voss on their list for a year after they knew he wouldn't be playing is a matter of record.

Liz i don't think that thay would legally have to if they had challenged the AFL Salary Cap Restrictions under the Restraint of Trade Laws or they decided Voss had broken his contractual obligation & therefore forfiet the payments. They did not do that and paid Voss his full contract & therefore were obligated to do what they did. But I don't think legally they were under any obligation to pay him out in the first place. They created the situation. Say the Swans & Braddy come to an agreement to pay him out to the end of this season & he agreed to cancel the remaining contract then the circumstances should be different.

[liz]

Liz i don't think that thay would legally have to if they had challenged the AFL Salary Cap Restrictions under the Restraint of Trade Laws or they decided Voss had broken his contractual obligation & therefore forfiet the payments. They did not do that and paid Voss his full contract & therefore were obligated to do what they did. But I don't think legally they were under any obligation to pay him out in the first place. They created the situation. Say the Swans & Braddy come to an agreement to pay him out to the end of this season & he agreed to cancel the remaining contract then the circumstances should be different.

Unless one has access to the terms of Bradshaw's contract (or Voss' contract) - which I certainly don't; do you? - I imagine it is difficult to form an opinion on what the clubs' obligations are/were. Nor am I privy to arrangements the Swans might have come to with Bradshaw, within the constraints of what discretion the contract allows. Are you?

What it is possible to know as a semi-educated outsider is that a) the salary cap machinations are very complex; and b) there have certainly been past instances where a combination of contractual arrangements and salary cap machinations have dictated that a player stays on a list beyond the period the player and the club know that he can play.

[Bas]

I would imagine that AFL contracts fall under the auspices of the CBA.

Commonwealth Bank has control ???

I think that references to contract law in the AFL is a bit like saying the Vatican is governed by Italian Law. It has a law all of it's own.

We'll never just never know.

Jesse is hardly a difficult big bloke. He's just a big Disney character. Cast in the wrong role.

[robamiee]

Walker from the crows would be ideal and i would much prefer him to FEV due to his age...but as you say he may have been signed by GWS...as good as Sammy reid will be, i dont think he is a big enough body to dominate and would be better suited to that roaming CHF role ala Goodsey role....

We def need a dominate big man that can kick goals.....

[mcs]

Walker from the crows would be ideal and i would much prefer him to FEV due to his age...but as you say he may have been signed by GWS...as good as Sammy reid will be, i dont think he is a big enough body to dominate and would be better suited to that roaming CHF role ala Goodsey role....

We def need a dominate big man that can kick goals.....

I disagree about Sammy Reid. He will bulk up a little bit more as he gets older- remember he only turns 20 after Christmas this year. He has a wonderful grab on him, and also has an excellent sense of positioning that will only improve. I think he is definitely going to be good enough to be a dominant forward- I guess he is really in the Jack Riewoldt mould more than a traditional Fev/Brown/Hall style big guy. One thing is clear though- if he knuckles down and can realise his potential, we have an absolute gun player in the making! I can't wait to see what he is like in a couple of years time when he has 50 games under his belt and is well and truly used to the week in week out grind of AFL footy.

Back on topic, Walker looks an excellent prospect, but I'd expect if he doesn't stay at Adelaide (and it hardly looks likely) then he will definitely be off to GWS. I'm a no to Fev- despite his obvious talent on the football field, I'm not sure we want an influence like him around the club, especially at a time where we have a lot of younger players coming through and we need to ensure that they continue to uphold the wonderful culture we have at the club at the moment.

[Untamed Snark]

Jesse is hardly a difficult big bloke. He's just a big Disney character. Cast in the wrong role.

So like Dumbo he just needs a feather to believe he can fly?

[Nico]

Try this list as not being with us in 2012.

Craig Bolton
Bradshaw
Sumner
Meredith
Kennelly

Then you have the likes of White who is a chance to be traded and Currie who has been with us a long time now. You couldn't blame him for moving on if another AFL club wanted him.

It appears to me that with the fat in the salary cap and possible delistings, we will have to be very active both in trading and drafting otherwise we will end up with a list with a very long tail.

[Bas]

Well the first two are given. Sumner maybe but I'm sure the Club will retain Kennelly and I'm not sure about Meredith.

It makes me think how last week on On the Couch when they showed the Swans midfield and how good it will be in the future, that Sumner's name was not there. Perhaps Gerard got the inside story early so we might be able to assume he is gone as well. After all, the Swans gave Bradshaw thinking time and we know where that ended.

To get good trades, we have to give good players up. Who do we have to spare?

[Bas]

So like Dumbo he just needs a feather to believe he can fly?

The Tin Man looking for a football brain...........................was that too harsh?

[liz]

To get good trades, we have to give good players up. Who do we have to spare?

Therein lies the issue. We want to keep the players that other clubs would be interested in trading for.

2009 off-season worked well because we had Jolly and Hall who actually wanted to leave, Buchanan who was expendable and with a club interested in trading for him, plus some decent draft picks in a year where the draft was perceived to be deep. Unless one of our established players announces they want to leave, we don't have anyone obviously expendable, it is a shallow and compromised draft, and our first draft choice is probably off limits. It is probably a year to make minimal changes, upgrade a rookie (Gordon), and hope to strike a rough diamond in the second or third rounds of the draft. We do have a number of scholarship and Academy players available this year but none of them is high profile or starred in the U18 champs. I suspect those who are in with a chance are more likely to be rookie list prospects than clear cut senior list candidates.

[swanspant12]

jolly didnt want too leave, he left because his wife was suffering depression, and she needed her family and friends down home too support her. Jolly is a very good bloke, and i was pretty shattered for him to leave. Imagine a jolly mummy combination! mouthwatering.