McVeigh

[chammond]

I would think that McVeigh would be tickled pink reading this crap. It's pretty much become a rite of passage over the past 8 years that every Swans champion is officially recognised by two processes: receive the Bob Skilton medal and be publicly villified by the experts on RWO. I particularly remember the vitriol dished out to Goodes and O'Loughlin.
Looking down the list of B&F, I'd say that only Paul Williams and Kieran Jack have missed out on the double . . . and there's still plenty of time for Jack. Congratulations, skipper McVeigh, it looks like you've definitely made it!

[Matt79]

Been @@@@ since he was made captain. Good player. Can't lead by example. Time to hand in the captaincy.

Totally agree RP! A Captain is consistent, can occasionally do the sublime and leads by example. McVeigh does none of these!

[ScottH]

I would think that McVeigh would be tickled pink reading this crap. It's pretty much become a rite of passage over the past 8 years that every Swans champion is officially recognised by two processes: receive the Bob Skilton medal and be publicly villified by the experts on RWO. I particularly remember the vitriol dished out to Goodes and O'Loughlin.
Looking down the list of B&F, I'd say that only Paul Williams and Kieran Jack have missed out on the double . . . and there's still plenty of time for Jack. Congratulations, skipper McVeigh, it looks like you've definitely made it!

You've got to admit. He's been pretty ordinary this year, and last.
At the top of his game he is a great player. I was always sticking up for him in the early days when others were not.
But as a captain, he seems to hgave gone from bad to worse.

[giant]

The blokes problem is his disposal. He doesn't seem to be a thinking player or his skills are just poor. He kicks across the ground and doesn't try for any penetration in his kicking. He toe pokes the footy most of the time. He seems to get his hands on the ball enough.

Probably has the best disposal skills at the club. If you're bagging him for the quality of his disposals, there are 41 others you have to start with.

Gave him some praise a few weeks ago as he was really doing the one percenters, plenty of smothers, tackles, pressure etc. Since then he's been down right ordinary and sounds like he didn't stand up on Sunday either. As a leader he needs to show more, but more what? For Jarrad, I think his value is more about being that quality distributor inside 50, especially in the days of the press - work hard to get space, get the ball and find a target (preferably dead in front coz otherwise we'll miss) - and if you could chip in with a few midfield goals (which he;s done well throughout his career) that would be damn useful too.

[Chilcott]

I would think that McVeigh would be tickled pink reading this crap. It's pretty much become a rite of passage over the past 8 years that every Swans champion is officially recognised by two processes: receive the Bob Skilton medal and be publicly villified by the experts on RWO. I particularly remember the vitriol dished out to Goodes and O'Loughlin.
Looking down the list of B&F, I'd say that only Paul Williams and Kieran Jack have missed out on the double . . . and there's still plenty of time for Jack. Congratulations, skipper McVeigh, it looks like you've definitely made it!

I would rather read an honest post criticising poor performance, than the crap you just served up.

Why should one's previous performance and accolades, make them immune to criticism. McVeigh is not putting in at the moment and member's of RWO have every right to honestly appraise him in such a way.

I suppose you're a fan of Paul Bevan's as well

[Big Al]

I would rather read an honest post criticising poor performance, than the crap you just served up.

Why should one's previous performance and accolades, make them immune to criticism. McVeigh is not putting in at the moment and member's of RWO have every right to honestly appraise him in such a way.

I suppose you're a fan of Paul Bevan's as well

Agreed.

It's called debate. As long as it doesn't get personal I have no drama with criticizing anyone from the club. There's a certain dual Brownlow medalist that occasionally annoys the crap out of me and since this isn't China I'm free to say that.

[Go Swannies]

I remember the 2005 attacks here on Stuey Maxfield when he was captain and was down on form. That went quiet when he voluntarily retired, even when Roos said he'd put him in the team the minute he put his hand up to play. And Kirk was regularly torn to shreds as a hack who should have retired years before he did.

Strangely, the one that seems immune is Kelly. Even though the other captains gave us a lot more (a code of honour that works and a Premiership) and didn't/haven't take a job across town with the Swans opposition when the money was too good to refuse.

[aardvark]

McVeighs one standout year was 2008 where he spent a lot of time in the forward line. Kicked 32.14 at 70% for the year. Since then he has spent far more time in the midfield and has struggled to make the same contribution. Maybe its time for him to play more as a small/medium forward and let one of the younger, quicker, more aggressive players fill his role in the midfield.

[BSA5]

McVeighs one standout year was 2008 where he spent a lot of time in the forward line. Kicked 32.14 at 70% for the year. Since then he has spent far more time in the midfield and has struggled to make the same contribution. Maybe its time for him to play more as a small/medium forward and let one of the younger, quicker, more aggressive players fill his role in the midfield.

Exactly. His best season was as a forward who was an impact player in the midfield. We have plenty of midfielders, but we seriously lack finishing skills up forward. McVeigh knows where the sticks are, he can take a great mark for someone his size, and he can be rotated through the midfield. There's no shame in playing forward over midfield.

[liz]

McVeighs one standout year was 2008 where he spent a lot of time in the forward line. Kicked 32.14 at 70% for the year. Since then he has spent far more time in the midfield and has struggled to make the same contribution. Maybe its time for him to play more as a small/medium forward and let one of the younger, quicker, more aggressive players fill his role in the midfield.

I would have to go back and watch some old tapes, but my recollection is that McVeigh primarily played in the midfield in 2008, and his goals kicked were genuinely from the midfield. He was lauded at the time as being the most prolific goal kicking midfielder of the season. He kicked 6 goals one day matched up against Cooney. There is no way Cooney was playing in defence on McVeigh.

[BSA5]

I would have to go back and watch some old tapes, but my recollection is that McVeigh primarily played in the midfield in 2008, and his goals kicked were genuinely from the midfield. He was lauded at the time as being the most prolific goal kicking midfielder of the season. He kicked 6 goals one day matched up against Cooney. There is no way Cooney was playing in defence on McVeigh.

He moved around, but he definitely set-up in the forwardline a fair bit. He spent lots of time in the midfield, and yeah, oddly enough he kicked that 6 purely from the midfield, but most of the time he was rotating between midfield and forward, at least from memory. Fairly sure he was being named on a HFF on the team lists as well, not that that really means much.

[ernie koala]

He moved around, but he definitely set-up in the forwardline a fair bit. He spent lots of time in the midfield, and yeah, oddly enough he kicked that 6 purely from the midfield, but most of the time he was rotating between midfield and forward, at least from memory. Fairly sure he was being named on a HFF on the team lists as well, not that that really means much.

I agree with BSA5, his form certainly doesn't warrant a midfield spot.
He should play out of a forward pocket and use his skills around goal.
The only other alternative, for mine, is to use him as the sub for a week or 2.
He should be able to have an impact, as a sub, given his experience and skill set.

[ScottH]

Relinquish the captaincy, and get back to playing good footy!!

[Cheer Squad]

I agree with BSA5, his form certainly doesn't warrant a midfield spot.
He should play out of a forward pocket and use his skills around goal.
The only other alternative, for mine, is to use him as the sub for a week or 2.
He should be able to have an impact, as a sub, given his experience and skill set.

It's not a bad suggestion. McVeigh can try his luck as a forward, let Goodes go back to the midfield. Whatever, we must have some of recognisable forward structure this week.

How about a line up that looks like this?

B: Nicholas Smith, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Alex Johnson
HB: Nick Malceski, Heath Grundy, Martin Mattner
C: Rhyce Shaw, Jude Bolton, Adam Goodes
HF: Ben McGlynn, Sam Reid, Josh P. Kennedy
F: Jesse White, Jarrad McVeigh, Trent Dennis-Lane
Foll: Mark Seaby, Kieran Jack, Daniel Hannebery
I/C: Paul Bevan, Tadgh Kennelly, Craig Bird, Luke Parker

Out: Mumford, Richards
In: White, Trent Dennis-Lane

I really think it's best for Jetta to go back into the reserves for a while.

[dimelb]

It's not a bad suggestion. McVeigh can try his luck as a forward, let Goodes go back to the midfield. Whatever, we must have some of recognisable forward structure this week.

How about a line up that looks like this?

B: Nicholas Smith, Lewis Roberts-Thomson, Alex Johnson
HB: Nick Malceski, Heath Grundy, Martin Mattner
C: Rhyce Shaw, Jude Bolton, Adam Goodes
HF: Ben McGlynn, Sam Reid, Josh P. Kennedy
F: Jesse White, Jarrad McVeigh, Trent Dennis-Lane
Foll: Mark Seaby, Kieran Jack, Daniel Hannebery
I/C: Paul Bevan, Tadhg Kennelly, Craig Bird, Luke Parker

Out: Mumford, Richards
In: White, Trent Dennis-Lane

I really think it's best for Jetta to go back into the reserves for a while.

That's not a bad line-up, but I'd like to see Jetta and Currie in for Bevo and Tadhg; a matter of reaching for the future instead of sticking to the past.