Changes for Rnd 15 v Crows

[Big Al]

I think I now officially hate the sub rule.

Yep... Me too.

If they want to cap rotations then just bloody well cap them.

[Triple B]

Sorry, you lost out through weight of numbers....

It's very rare I've ever lost anything based on weight...

[Mr Magoo]

Post 66 in the same thread didn't take your fancy ??



We all see it different and although Liz, ugg and myself nearly always see things fairly closely, we didn't see things the same on Jetta's game. It doesn't even mean I was correct, but let's not use terms like 'From all reports he was average at best' which has been thrown around a bit this week.

FWIW, I see no value in playing Jetta as sub this week. I've thought he was the perfect choice a few times this year, but not this week.

In hindsight it would not surprise if indeed the plan was always to give him last week off in a game which was always going to be a pressurefest and freshen him up for the wide open spaces of Footy Park in a game they expect to win.

Bevan the sub for me this week. Has the versatility to play forward and back if needed early and it is less likely this week that we will be looking for an impact player to come off the bench and give us something because we are in trouble.

I know we all like debating the merit of who has and hasnt been included but really most suggestions are just tinkering at the edges. I think the team this week is quite well balanced. TDL while an acknowledged goal kicker hasnt come in come in and kicked four or five goals a game and johnston has been okay but hasnt really set the world on fire to the point where I would take him over alex johnson. Gordon showed a lot of immaturity in his few games and dropped a few relatively easy marks playing forward (possibly a sympton of the greater pressure at AFL level) and few if any of the options put forward I would doubt have achieved 10 possessions in any of their games let alone on average like Jetta has.

[rojo]

I was hoping that LJ would have been left in. Looking at the replay he made a few mistakes last Sat. but he did some good things too and seemed to settle into his role with confidence as the game went on, and it was against the Pies. I don't dispute that AJ would have the edge at the selection table this week. However my concern is that LJ looks like becoming one of the unfortunate ones; like TDL he has to keep proving himself in the Ressies while others don't; dare I say it also like Ed, there is no place for him in the Seniors, either in the forward line or the back line, AJ and Reid and seemingly White are always going to be picked before him, so this year at least he is only going to get a game here and there to replace an injured player. It is strange the way things work out - he has skills the team needs, but like with TDL, others get the breaks.

[nomae]

How people convenientlty forget that the game he had the week after when the Bulldogs paid close attention to him. If he can't do what is required by the coaches in the inferior quality reserves how is he going to do it in the seniors.

As for Jetta I believe he'd still be in reserves if it wasn't for the injuries and the big ground we're playing on. Selection is always about getting the right mix against the particular opponent you are facing and the ground you play on.

Agreed he didn't have much impact against the Bulldogs, and the two games this year he hasn't set the world on fire, but that's only three games. Surely Horse could give the guy an extended chance for pity's sake... like he has done for a certain Mr Jetta and (up until earlier this year) Mr White.

That being said I am actually a big fan of Lewis and Jesse (I understand the logic of Lewis being in the team this week), but it just bemuses me that one bloke can play 12 weeks of pedestrian footy (Jetta) and another can play nearly 18 months of it (Jesse) while there's a bloke in the two's kicking bag after bag after bag.

[Hartijon]

TDL.LJ and others

With TDL and LJ I am not saying they are ready made AFL players just yet or that they both don't need to lift aspects of their games to a higher level.Of course they do and the critics who point this out are quite right. No arguments there. What I am arguing is that TDL with his faults is still better value than some players who have gone in in front of him like Everitt for example and maybe Jetta too although that is a line ball call.I would also prefer we stuck with LJ rather than bring back Bevan .

This is my opinion based on watching these guys play on TV.To me both LJ and TDL have shown an upside that is exciting,Everitt and Bevan haven't and Jetta promised a lot but hasn't delivered.

Which player is best for the team structure is the coaches call and at least most of the kids are getting a go at some stage. It will be interesting to see who makes the best 22 come September.

[Robbo]

TDL missing out is a joke, not sure what he has to do.

[aardvark]

It's very rare I've ever lost anything based on weight...

. I can relate to that!

[Yuri H]

Agreed he didn't have much impact against the Bulldogs, and the two games this year he hasn't set the world on fire, but that's only three games. Surely Horse could give the guy an extended chance for pity's sake... like he has done for a certain Mr Jetta and (up until earlier this year) Mr White.

That being said I am actually a big fan of Lewis and Jesse (I understand the logic of Lewis being in the team this week), but it just bemuses me that one bloke can play 12 weeks of pedestrian footy (Jetta) and another can play nearly 18 months of it (Jesse) while there's a bloke in the two's kicking bag after bag after bag.

Here I type the little "plus" sign and add the digit "1" to this.

[wolftone57]

How people convenientlty forget that the game he had the week after when the Bulldogs paid close attention to him. If he can't do what is required by the coaches in the inferior quality reserves how is he going to do it in the seniors.

As for Jetta I believe he'd still be in reserves if it wasn't for the injuries and the big ground we're playing on. Selection is always about getting the right mix against the particular opponent you are facing and the ground you play on.

I must object to your evaluation Big Al. For a start, he wasn't the only one to go missing against the Bullies! To just blame it on one bloke is unfair & in doing so diminish the other games he played so well in. Your objection to TDL is that he doesn't chase I seem to believe from your posts, then the same can be said for young Lewie. If he isn't the front runner for the ball he eases up and gives up the chase or only goes half pace. We need someone who can tackle hard to expose Doughty's lack of speed & skills & also to stop him from creating the loose man. I don't think Lewis is going to do that, nor is he going to kick any more than 2 goals in any game the way he misses them. I like the young bloke & think him exciting but be real he still has heaps to learn & one of those things is to put in 100% effort all the time. The other problem with the game against the Bullies was that we brought Braddy back & I think that upset team ballance as we all day looked for him to our detriment. Before that we had a range of options & were useing those players but with Braddy the players were obviously told to kick to him all day & it backfired. He wasn't even fully fit so why not blame Roos or Braddy for not being fit? The week before the players had looked for TDL in the Bullies match they only kicked to him under pressure & the delivery was @@@@e & set him up. So don't ever blame one player & I don't know what you have against him anyway, he is a Swan & I think a very good footballer!!!!

[Bloody Hell]

Here I type the little "plus" sign and add the digit "1" to this.

TDL's omission is the short term pain long term gain out look. Too many mecurial players fall off the path along the way, and the coaching staff have identified some propensity to not put effort in when the ball isn't in hand, that they want destroyed.

I don't see it myself. When he's played seniors he seems to chase quite well, though he doesn't seem as fit as he could be. Just play him!

[ugg]

LJ and Moore named for the reserves, who are playing Sat arvo, so it looks like Everitt is the travelling emergency and they're expecting Ted and AJ to play.


Rohan's reserves return - Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club

[wolftone57]

TDL's omission is the short term pain long term gain out look. Too many mecurial players fall off the path along the way, and the coaching staff have identified some propensity to not put effort in when the ball isn't in hand, that they want destroyed.

I don't see it myself. When he's played seniors he seems to chase quite well, though he doesn't seem as fit as he could be. Just play him!

Jetta & Everritt seem to be able to get away with not chasing at all, although I must admit Everritt went back to the seconds again or is emergency (which means a stint in the 2's). Lewie is young & lazy, I don't think the problem with TDL is the chasing as the coaching staff realised he was coming back from injury. I think the problem is with lairising (being overly clever) with the ball & maybe being a bit too skillful for our coaches? I would hate to see him go to another side who will play him because one day he will destroy us in a game I just have a feeling if we let this one go!

[Big Al]

I must object to your evaluation Big Al. For a start, he wasn't the only one to go missing against the Bullies! To just blame it on one bloke is unfair & in doing so diminish the other games he played so well in. Your objection to TDL is that he doesn't chase I seem to believe from your posts, then the same can be said for young Lewie. If he isn't the front runner for the ball he eases up and gives up the chase or only goes half pace. We need someone who can tackle hard to expose Doughty's lack of speed & skills & also to stop him from creating the loose man. I don't think Lewis is going to do that, nor is he going to kick any more than 2 goals in any game the way he misses them. I like the young bloke & think him exciting but be real he still has heaps to learn & one of those things is to put in 100% effort all the time. The other problem with the game against the Bullies was that we brought Braddy back & I think that upset team ballance as we all day looked for him to our detriment. Before that we had a range of options & were useing those players but with Braddy the players were obviously told to kick to him all day & it backfired. He wasn't even fully fit so why not blame Roos or Braddy for not being fit? The week before the players had looked for TDL in the Bullies match they only kicked to him under pressure & the delivery was @@@@e & set him up. So don't ever blame one player & I don't know what you have against him anyway, he is a Swan & I think a very good footballer!!!!

Excuse me!!

Have a look at the post I was responding to which stated that TDL proved himself in the Carlton game and should be in the seniors because of it. All I did was point out that he had a poor game the week after. Also where do I state that the Bulldogs loss was TDL's fault. Don't bother because you find anywhere where i say that. Also go back through my posts and find where I have on numerous occassions state that I'm a fan of TDL and that he will be an important part of our next premiership.

[Sidney V]

I agree - TDL will be an important part of the next premiership - one would think his spot in the reserves side is reasonably secure - for a cup this year.