Ray Chamberlin is a ******* ****** who agrees?

[Frog]

Just watch the game first and then see if you have the same opinion. Granted your point is correct generally (ie. we do do stupid things, including today that do ask for the umpires to give frees against us), but the umpiring today was at best absolutely bewildering and at worst simply appaling.

I do not need to see the game to see the gist of this thread. I do not need to see the game to know I would probably agree with you. I do not need to see the game, just this thread, to be reminded of the AFL shutting down Hawk Headquarters in 2007 after an umpire thread went a little too far.

Which part of "I am trying to save RWO" do you people not understand???? Settle! Please.

[robamiee]

the problem was it wans't just razor....it was the othere 2 idiots as well........i mean what the hell with that last 80 mt6r penalty (oops i mean 50)..learn to count ####head.....
the other thing is as well people have mentioned 4-5 goals from frees, by my reckoning it was 8 dubious goals from direct free kicks..
Their 1st 3 goals of the game were from free kicks including the 50.
1 against LRT in the ruck
the HTB against Ted
the free against Reg on the Angus Monfries of Fremantle
The throw at the end against REG
there was another 2 as well, 1 in the 2nd qtr and another in the 3rd....

so over half their score from free kicks...i dont think in the history of the game that has happened.
To top it off BT saying the umps have done a good job...notice how Roosy was awfully silent when he said it.....unfortunately he is in a diff posi when commentating on swans games to not be too biased....

yes i would liek to know where i can comntact the umpires dept re the game and voice my disapproval

[unconfuseme]

I run this site with ScottH - I am getting tired ... maybe I'll just let a few of you ruin it for all.

PS - I don't get to watch the game here. But here are a few sobering thoughts ... without the opposition, there wouldn't be a game - Without the umpires, there wouldn't be a game. If we played better and didn't catch the eye of the umpires for doing stupid things, this tread wouldn't have been started, nor be up to post 118 by now.

I held the same opinion ... until today! ... I reckon if the players had officiated themselves, the game would have run more efficiently!

[Bas]

I run this site with ScottH - I am getting tired ... maybe I'll just let a few of you ruin it for all.

PS - I don't get to watch the game here. But here are a few sobering thoughts ... without the opposition, there wouldn't be a game - Without the umpires, there wouldn't be a game. If we played better and didn't catch the eye of the umpires for doing stupid things, this tread wouldn't have been started, nor be up to post 118 by now.

Well you weren't at the game, nor have you watched it.

Thanks for your thoughts on why the game exists but you forgot one very and probably the most critical observation and that is without the fans paying their money and watching/attending games then your first two options would not exist. That is the MOST sobering fact after all.

It is true that when the team doesn't play well and in the case of a loss, supporters look for reasons other than the fact that they were out played by a better team. The point that most are making tonight are that some of the decisions made by two of the field umpires today were highly questionable. In a game were we played really badly and the final result was less than 2 goals then it does become significant.

They even mentioned the same fact on the Fox Sports After the Game programme tonight. I'm sure as the week progresses there will be more to come.

If the AFL wants to promote AFL to a rugby league region then they need to get their umpiring right. You don't get that as a problem in league. The odd try awarded unsighted doesn't really compare.

I understand what you're saying about the Hawks website and the AFL need to take responsibility of the actions of their own umpires. I'm not sure of the events of 2007 and how they compare to what happened today. I don't think most on here have not been overly critical.

[mcs]

My apologies frog for misunderstanding where you were coming from. Should the Afl go down such a path as to shut down a forum because of criticism of what was seen by many as bewildering officiating, then that would be enough for me to hand in my membership and stop following footy. Of course there are lines that should not be crossed, but I don't think any have been necessarily crossed here but you are in a far better position to judge that. We live in a country of free speech and democracy and afl is a game that evokes passion and if we aren't free to express our feelings about something without having to fear the wrath of the afl, then frankly that is a very sad state of affairs.

[Bas]

I agree with you mcs.

The poor invertebrates in this world that week in week out get compared to umpires is just unfair.

[Frog]

Well you weren't at the game, nor have you watched it.

Correct

Thanks for your thoughts on why the game exists but you forgot one very and probably the most critical observation and that is without the fans paying their money and watching/attending games then your first two options would not exist. That is the MOST sobering fact after al.

Which is why every year fans from both teams complain about how few tickets are available for"fans paying their money" and everything goes to the sponsors and the corporates. When the AFL care about you and I, let me know.

It is true that when the team doesn't play well and in the case of a loss, supporters look for reasons other than the fact that they were out played by a better team. The point that most are making tonight are that some of the decisions made by two of the field umpires today were highly questionable. In a game were we played really badly and the final result was less than 2 goals then it does become significant.

This has not been an argument of any of my posts.

They even mentioned the same fact on the Fox Sports After the Game programme tonight. I'm sure as the week progresses there will be more to come.

I doubt very much there will be more to come. The fat controller loves his umpires. They are beyond reproach. You cannot (and they will defend them to the n-th degree) say anything bad about the umpires. I name James Hird, I name Michael Malthouse, I name any coach that has ever got a letter from the AFL to please explain after making a comment on the umpires. I could dig and find the amounts of fines these people paid for making a (truthful) comment. It doesn't matter how true it is, if you say anything bad about them,if you (slyly) comment about their performance, the AFL will come down on you like a ton of bricks. The umpiring fraternity is untouchable. They are above critisism - because the AFL says so. Get used to it.

If the AFL wants to promote AFL to a rugby league region then they need to get their umpiring right. You don't get that as a problem in league. The odd try awarded unsighted doesn't really compare.

See my comment above. The umpires are always right.

I understand what you're saying about the Hawks website and the AFL need to take responsibility of the actions of their own umpires. I'm not sure of the events of 2007 and how they compare to what happened today. I don't think most on here have not been overly critical.

A couple of weeks ago, in a gameday thread, I removed a post that (nearly) was a carbon copy of the post that eventually got the Hawks Headquarters board closed. This sort of thread (and the anger in it) sets a great environment for someone to post it again.

I don't care about the game, the umpires or the loss right now. I care that this thread does not go any further!!! I could close it, but you would only open another. I ask for restraint. That is all.

[bodgie]

Does this forum accept sponsorship from the AFL? How can it be shut down?

[nomae]

Will definitely be tuning into 'What's Your Decision' with Jeff Geischen on the AFL website this week.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Does this forum accept sponsorship from the AFL? How can it be shut down?

I would like to know this too.

[nomae]

I would like to know this too.

Just did a bit of research and it appears the Hawks fansite was temporarily shut down by the AFL through a loophole - they were using the AFL and Hawthorn trademarks on their site without permission and as such got their legal department all over them. The site is still up (I think), with only members allowed to view and post on the forums.

But still, I like RWO, let's not say anything stupid that would reflect poorly on our club.

[top40]

I run this site with ScottH - I am getting tired ... maybe I'll just let a few of you ruin it for all.

PS - I don't get to watch the game here. But here are a few sobering thoughts ... without the opposition, there wouldn't be a game - Without the umpires, there wouldn't be a game. If we played better and didn't catch the eye of the umpires for doing stupid things, this tread wouldn't have been started, nor be up to post 118 by now.

Frog, I would be fascinated to know that legal basis that gives a private entity such as the AFL the right to close down a website! Please explain!

Also if you haven't seen the game, for heavens sake!

[top40]

I did not see the match, at this stage I do not know a score even, but I know we lost.

Can we all please take a deep breath.

Last thing we need is to have the Fat Controller shut us down because of someone going a bit too far.

May I ask you all, kindly, to settle? Please?

I assume the 'fat controller' is part of the old Soviet Union.It is one thing for players and club officials to be fined for negative commentary. But the AFL has no legal right to censure freedom of speech made by the general public not directly associated with it. Even the laws of defamation give you the RIGHT to say what you like; you just might be exposed in making a defamatory remark to being subject to a civil (aka private) law suit.

[Rob-bloods]

So

OH THANK GOD. He's not gay.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/razor-ray-an-afl-cult-figure/story-e6frf9jf-1111116616210

His fiancee Monique, whom he will marry in October, no longer goes to any of his games because she can't cope with the abuse dished out to the umpires, particularly her man.

On the other hand, he's dating someone named Monique. MORE REASON TO HATE (apologies if any RWOers' real names are 'Monique").

What do you mean don't you remember Simon and Unique.......Les Girls he's marrying a tranny!

[Big Al]

No way known can the AFL shut down a privately run website in a supposedly free country. However nor do we want to go to the lengths the Hawks website did. We are better than that. These threads are terrific to let off steam after a frustrating day.