Andrew Lovett

[AnnieH]

Poor kid.
Got sacked by the saints because he had been charged with an alleged rape.
Got acquitted today.

Do you think the ainters will take him back???

He's more than welcome to come and play with us.

Andrew Lovett acquitted

[Donners]

He is not 'poor' at all, and if he comes to the club, I will not watch any game he is involved in.

[swannielady]

He is not 'poor' at all, and if he comes to the club, I will not watch any game he is involved in.

I second that!! Dont want him.

[SwansFan1972]

Originally Posted by Donners
He is not 'poor' at all, and if he comes to the club, I will not watch any game he is involved in.

I second that!! Dont want him.

Geez - that's harsh - he was found innocent wasn't he!?!?! Cleared in a court of law but still should be paying some kind of price apparently.

Might just as well do away with courts and string people up based on accusations. Will certainly be a lot cheaper and quicker!

[giant]

In many ways, exactly the type of player we're looking for.

In many more ways, exactly the type of human being we're not.

[Donners]

Geez - that's harsh - he was found innocent wasn't he!?!?! Cleared in a court of law but still should be paying some kind of price apparently.

Might just as well do away with courts and string people up based on accusations. Will certainly be a lot cheaper and quicker!

No, he was found not guilty. Big difference. There is no finding of innocence.

[swannielady]

Geez - that's harsh - he was found innocent wasn't he!?!?! Cleared in a court of law but still should be paying some kind of price apparently.

Might just as well do away with courts and string people up based on accusations. Will certainly be a lot cheaper and quicker!

Did you read anything about it? He was not found innocent but the prosecution failed to make their case due to the forever reliant technicalites. He was not cleared at all. These cases are horrendous and v hard to prove in a court of law. Many don't even get there. Sorry if my opinion inflames some, have seen to much to ever be not affected by these cases. It is a terrible blight on our communities and society and extremely unfair. I dont want to string him up just dont want him at the club.

[Big Al]

No, he was found not guilty. Big difference. There is no finding of innocence.

Isn't he innocent until proven guilty?? He wasn't found guilty so he remains Innocent doesn't he?? Isn't that the foundation of our legal system or am I watching to much Law and Order.

Now, as far as morals are concerned, well that's a different thing entirely and I agree with Giants sentiments.

[AnnieH]

It was consentual.
Reads innocent in my books.

[Doctor J.]

No, he was found not guilty. Big difference. There is no finding of innocence.

That comment is bull@@@@ and completely disregards the judicial system of this country.
Innocent until proven guilty is a key principal of our legal system. You might not like it but I imagine it is a superior system to one where you can be alleged/accused to have done something and then have to prove your innocence. That's the system that you seem to be favoring is it not?

[swannielady]

That comment is bull@@@@ and completely disregards the judicial system of this country.
Innocent until proven guilty is a key principal of our legal system. You might not like it but I imagine it is a superior system to one where you can be alleged/accused to have done something and then have to prove your innocence. That's the system that you seem to be favoring is it not?

You know what this could get really really nasty. Unless you have been apart of the system, gone through a case be it murder, rape etc major crimes, its easy to spout the theories. Nothing is black and white particularly the law. We have a fantastic judicial system in theory but life does not always work out that way. Every perpetrator does not get convicted and some innocent people are put away. There are miscarriages of justice in our society as in others. I for one do not have to believe someone is innocent of a crime because the prosecution failed to secure a verdict, I have to accept that they are free to live their lives thats all.

[ScottH]

That comment is bull@@@@ and completely disregards the judicial system of this country.
Innocent until proven guilty is a key principal of our legal system. You might not like it but I imagine it is a superior system to one where you can be alleged/accused to have done something and then have to prove your innocence. That's the system that you seem to be favoring is it not?

I alwys go t back to the Mick Gatto case. The media made a huge deal about him being innocent.
No, he wasn't found innoncent. He was found Not Guilty. Meaning that the evidence presented, did not convince the jurors that he was Guilty.

Maybe Lovett is innocent. These cases are nearly always a case of his word v her word.
The fact still remains, in all the sex cases against AFL players, (and NRL, I think), NO ONE has ever been charged.
This I find incredulous. Surely not all the women were making it up.

[Big Al]

I alwys go t back to the Mick Gatto case. The media made a huge deal about him being innocent.
No, he wasn't found innoncent. He was found Not Guilty. Meaning that the evidence presented, did not convince the jurors that he was Guilty.

Maybe Lovett is innocent. These cases are nearly always a case of his word v her word.
The fact still remains, in all the sex cases against AFL players, (and NRL, I think), NO ONE has ever been charged.
This I find incredulous. Surely not all the women were making it up.

I still don't understand this. If he's innocent until proven guilty then surely if it's not proven then he's innocent. Is there a lawyer in the house that can tell us the legal definitions otherwise I'll have to watch Law and Order or Judge Judy to get the answer.

[Donners]

It was consentual.
Reads innocent in my books.

Unless you are either Andrew Lovett or the complainant, you have no basis to state that as fact.

That comment is bull@@@@ and completely disregards the judicial system of this country.
Innocent until proven guilty is a key principal of our legal system. You might not like it but I imagine it is a superior system to one where you can be alleged/accused to have done something and then have to prove your innocence. That's the system that you seem to be favoring is it not?

I am quite familiar with the judicial system of this country, having been involved in it for a pretty fair part of my life.

I am also quite familiar with this particular case, having been involved in the trial.

I respect the decision of the jury, and understand how they could have reached it.

But my position on Lovett is absolutely clear. I will not accept him coming to my club.

[Triple B]

I still don't understand this. If he's innocent until proven guilty then surely if it's not proven then he's innocent. Is there a lawyer in the house that can tell us the legal definitions otherwise I'll have to watch Law and Order or Judge Judy to get the answer.

It appears he is innocent in the eyes of the law Al, but not innocent in the eyes of some posters, particularly those who have hinted that they believe they have been victims of the same sort of injustice in the past due to the legal system we have in place.