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  • wolftone57
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2008
    • 5851

    #31
    Originally posted by Triple B
    Jolly came off the rookie list at Melbourne.
    Thanks T I wondered.

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    • GongSwan
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2009
      • 1362

      #32
      Originally posted by alison.z
      In regards to Cyril Rioli - anyone who has read 'The Draft' by Emma Quayle would probably agree that there would be some serious doubts about Rioli's ability to settle in Sydney. Was extremely homesick in Melbourne even with some family around so moving to Sydney with no support network wouldn't have benefited him at all and I'm not sure he would be anywhere near the player he is now or even still at the Swans. Don't think it was a mistake to overlook him as much as I would love to have him in the team.

      In reality I think we've overachieved so far with the youth coming through but give it a few years with top draft picks Rohan, Johnston and Jetta cementing a spot in the team and mid range picks Hannebery, Parker and Reid improving ... We could yet be lauding our recruiters!
      This makes a point some people forget, even if yr drafting players out of the top 10, the player still has to want ro come to Sydney, they don't just draft them, the recruiters do talk to the kids first, and it's hard enough for 18 yo kids to leave home these days never mind moving interstate, it's not like when I was a lad and pissed off at 17 to go wherever, times have changed and really, with the way Sydney is perceived in the interstate press kids must look at all that and say I aint going. Shannon Grant? Anthony Rocca? Currently where is Byron? These are things that have to be taken into account when gauging the character of young players being drafted, and these days, near as I can tell, yv got a lot of kids who don't want to leave home or people with wives who don't want to leave home etc. Our recruiters are up gainst it and the coaches and development staff should be applauded for keeping us at the level of success we have enjoyed, even if we've had hiccups and heart attacks
      You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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      • GongSwan
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2009
        • 1362

        #33
        Originally posted by alison.z
        In regards to Cyril Rioli - anyone who has read 'The Draft' by Emma Quayle would probably agree that there would be some serious doubts about Rioli's ability to settle in Sydney. Was extremely homesick in Melbourne even with some family around so moving to Sydney with no support network wouldn't have benefited him at all and I'm not sure he would be anywhere near the player he is now or even still at the Swans. Don't think it was a mistake to overlook him as much as I would love to have him in the team.

        In reality I think we've overachieved so far with the youth coming through but give it a few years with top draft picks Rohan, Johnston and Jetta cementing a spot in the team and mid range picks Hannebery, Parker and Reid improving ... We could yet be lauding our recruiters!
        This makes a point some people forget, even if yr drafting players out of the top 10, the player still has to want ro come to Sydney, they don't just draft them, the recruiters do talk to the kids first, and it's hard enough for 18 yo kids to leave home these days never mind moving interstate, it's not like when I was a lad and pissed off at 17 to go wherever, times have changed and really, with the way Sydney is perceived in the interstate press kids must look at all that and say I aint going. Shannon Grant? Anthony Rocca? Currently where is Byron? These are things that have to be taken into account when gauging the character of young players being drafted, and these days, near as I can tell, yv got a lot of kids who don't want to leave home or people with wives who don't want to leave home etc. Our recruiters are up gainst it and the coaches and development staff should be applauded for keeping us at the level of success we have enjoyed, even if we've had hiccups and heart attacks
        Last edited by GongSwan; 16 August 2011, 11:51 AM. Reason: double
        You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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        • Go Swannies
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2003
          • 5697

          #34
          Off topic but Gong Swan do you know the Gong couple injured in the road accident after the game on Sunday? If so, my commiserations.

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          • caj23
            Senior Player
            • Aug 2003
            • 2462

            #35
            Originally posted by alison.z
            In regards to Cyril Rioli - anyone who has read 'The Draft' by Emma Quayle would probably agree that there would be some serious doubts about Rioli's ability to settle in Sydney. Was extremely homesick in Melbourne even with some family around so moving to Sydney with no support network wouldn't have benefited him at all and I'm not sure he would be anywhere near the player he is now or even still at the Swans. Don't think it was a mistake to overlook him as much as I would love to have him in the team.
            I haven't read the book but I've heard that Vezpremi was also expected to be someone who would struggle moving away from Melbourne. For those that have read the book is that an accurate statement?

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            • Jewels
              On the Rookie List
              • Oct 2006
              • 3258

              #36
              Originally posted by caj23
              I haven't read the book but I've heard that Vezpremi was also expected to be someone who would struggle moving away from Melbourne. For those that have read the book is that an accurate statement?
              No, I didn't get that. It does say that he was very close to his Mum but there is no mention of moving away being a particular problem for him, whereas with Cyril it was mentioned many, many times that all teams wondered how he would settle into Melbourne let alone an interstate team.

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16761

                #37
                Originally posted by caj23
                I haven't read the book but I've heard that Vezpremi was also expected to be someone who would struggle moving away from Melbourne. For those that have read the book is that an accurate statement?
                Has anything happened post draft that suggests he struggled to move away from Melbourne? He has struggled to get himself fit enough to play AFL. That is about it. His failure to play any games this season for the Dogs (despite them travelling worse than we did last year) suggests Melbourne vs Sydney is not /was not the issue.

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                • caj23
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 2462

                  #38
                  Originally posted by liz
                  Has anything happened post draft that suggests he struggled to move away from Melbourne? He has struggled to get himself fit enough to play AFL. That is about it. His failure to play any games this season for the Dogs (despite them travelling worse than we did last year) suggests Melbourne vs Sydney is not /was not the issue.
                  Whoah settle down their liz, no need to get all defensive on me

                  All I asked was if Vez was viewed in a similar light by recruiters

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                  • BSA5
                    Senior Player
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 2522

                    #39
                    Was Liz being defensive there? Thought that was just a normal response myself...
                    Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                    • caj23
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 2462

                      #40
                      I asked a simple question about the book and I got a 5 line response which completely ignored the original question I asked and then proceeded to talk down to me about Vez's shortcomings as an AFL player

                      Jewell managed to answer what was a straight forward query without being condescending

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                      • BSA5
                        Senior Player
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 2522

                        #41
                        I thought Liz did answer the question. The way you phrased it made it seem like you were asking if Vez had any troubles moving away from Melbourne. As for condescending, remind me never to reply to a post of yours for fear of being falsely interpreted as condescending... Oh wait, @@@@, was that too condescending? Sorry, I'm just not sure, what with... Oh god damn, am I still doing it?
                        Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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