The "No DH" policy is a myth.

[sprite]

Oooooh, just wait till I see Plugger. Boy are you in for it now !!

I only posted coz I didn't want Annie getting upset

[Wardy]

Agree totally. Hence my enjoyment of the so called policy!

The idea that we have 40 odd perfect men/boys is pretty funny I reckon. A footy club is a footy club, you get all kinds.

Exactly, there are dickheads in all walks of life, all professions & all organisations to varying degrees, and in a club the size of the Swans to think that there aren't any is fanciful. But again - does it really matter if there is the odd Dickheads present ? of course it doesnt. It takes all sorts and all types to make the world go round, footy included.

Sometimes there has been a bit too much emphasis placed on this so called policy. Its not brain surgery or rocket science we are talking about here, its footy.

[Untamed Snark]

It's not their being a dickhead that matters, it's whether they can play for the team rather than themselves.
I'm not sold on fev but if we by some chance do recruit him I can only assume our club knows what they are doing.

[goswannie14]

I know for a fact that every team I ever played for had at least one DH - go figure!

You're leading with your chin on that one.

[Primmy]

Actually that is it in a nutshell. If a player was playing for himself and not for the team, that is the exemplary description of a DH. Its a team game, a massive team game, and that's it. If a player is unable to come to terms with US and not ME, then that describes a DH. Sometimes you see it creeping into a person's game, and its whether or not you see the team mates enjoying it, pretty much defines whether or not that player is seen as a DH by his teammates.

There has been a time or two when I have thought to myself "take up golf - no teamwork involved". None of those have gone on to becom good AFL players and have not lasted at this club, nor at any other club.

[Doctor]

Anorak fact that has come out of this thread - the last two Rising Star winners have both had the same initials.

Is this THE worst RWO thread ever yet?

[Damien]

It's not their being a dickhead that matters, it's whether they can play for the team rather than themselves.
I'm not sold on fev but if we by some chance do recruit him I can only assume our club knows what they are doing.

My issue with Fev is not talent or a "DH" policy, it's more that he is charismatic and a natural leader of men, most of the players he has ever played with LOVE him, unfortunately he leads himself astray and has self destructive tendencies and that is dangerous in a close knit situation like a football club. If they choose to recruit him, I'll trust their judgement, but it's a risky move I reckon. Easy to get blinded by talent (which he has in droves)

[Kirkari]

...

Is this THE worst RWO thread ever yet?

Gets my vote. No smile.

[ScottH]

Anorak fact that has come out of this thread - the last two Rising Star winners have both had the same initials.

Is this THE worst RWO thread ever yet?

Nah, there has been worse.

[Nico]

My issue with Fev is not talent or a "DH" policy, it's more that he is charismatic and a natural leader of men, most of the players he has ever played with LOVE him, unfortunately he leads himself astray and has self destructive tendencies and that is dangerous in a close knit situation like a football club. If they choose to recruit him, I'll trust their judgement, but it's a risky move I reckon. Easy to get blinded by talent (which he has in droves)

Can't agree Damien; he is no leader of men. He is probably at the other end of the spectrum in that regard. Having "charisma" does not make a leader. There are numerous other qualities one needs to be a good leader and you don't need to be charismatic to be a good leader. See if you can get to see Mike Sheahan's interview of Brett Kirk. Now there is a leader.

[Damien]

Can't agree Damien; he is no leader of men. He is probably at the other end of the spectrum in that regard. Having "charisma" does not make a leader. There are numerous other qualities one needs to be a good leader and you don't need to be charismatic to be a good leader. See if you can get to see Mike Sheahan's interview of Brett Kirk. Now there is a leader.

No, you're misunderstanding my use of leader there. He's a natural leader within a group of men, maybe I should have used 'alpha male'. it's dangerous that he generally develops powerful relationshps within groups and easily assumes leader of the pack roles. Happened at both Brisbane and Carlton.

[Nico]

No, you're misunderstanding my use of leader there. He's a natural leader within a group of men, maybe I should have used 'alpha male'. it's dangerous that he generally develops powerful relationshps within groups and easily assumes leader of the pack roles. Happened at both Brisbane and Carlton.

The word leader is a lot misused these days in my eyes. I once spoke to a principal of a hard, tough northern Melbourne suburbs high school. He had a reputation of being able to turn some kids around and parents would try to get their off the rails kids into his school. He said he could pick the ones who he couldn't help regardless of parental pleas. He said within a school day those types (ie. Fev) would find the bad apples or poorly influential kids and latch on. Conversely the "good' ones gravitated to the nicer kids. He said it was human nature. Who were the ones he latched onto and influenced at Brisbane and Carlton. Not the smarties I bet and probably the gullible who he could "lead" astray.

We don't need his type of natural leader at our club.

[Damien]

The word leader is a lot misused these days in my eyes. I once spoke to a principal of a hard, tough northern Melbourne suburbs high school. He had a reputation of being able to turn some kids around and parents would try to get their off the rails kids into his school. He said he could pick the ones who he couldn't help regardless of parental pleas. He said within a school day those types (ie. Fev) would find the bad apples or poorly influential kids and latch on. Conversely the "good' ones gravitated to the nicer kids. He said it was human nature. Who were the ones he latched onto and influenced at Brisbane and Carlton. Not the smarties I bet and probably the gullible who he could "lead" astray.

We don't need his type of natural leader at our club.

I agree on Fev, interestingly, Carlton would arrange heavy involvement of Fev with the new draftees, they must shudder with hindsight. He latched on Brown pretty strongly at Brisbane, which was part of his downfall in the end as Brown wanted him out of the club and was heavily respected.