Now we are into Pre Season

[Primmy]

Hang on, I know I saw Jesse mark over his head this year, at least once.

[stellation]

You can be muscularly fit and strong but it's whether or not your body has the ability to keep repeating what you can do without falling over gasping for air (like Vez). Fitness involves a few things - Muscular strength, stamina which is endurance as well as things like how well you body stretches, bends etc.

So he probably is just saying that Jesse looks like an athlete, he looks muscularly fit and he is agile but all the exercises he does to put his body in that shape he can't do over an extended period of time.

Refer below to answer...........................There would be a physiological answer in the difference between the muscle fibres and how they act. However, I'll leave you with the research as I don't have the time. It's like comparing someone that runs 100 - 400 metre races to someone who runs marathons.

Its the same when people confuse fitness and health. Someone can be very fit yet be extremely unhealthy and someone can be unfit yet be extremely healthy.

I was more wondering where it would be different to working on fitness- I assumed endurance is just a component of overall fitness?

[Jewels]

I'm one of those who sees 50% less fat on the label and immediately think that means I can have 2.

We are kindred spirits Al!

Hang on, I know I saw Jesse mark over his head this year, at least once.

The pre-game warm up doesn't count Prims....

[Bas]

I was more wondering where it would be different to working on fitness- I assumed endurance is just a component of overall fitness?

I'm sure it plays a part.

It was interesting watching On the Couch tonight and Chris Scott talking about Tom Hawkins.

He said that Tom's endurance was down because they played him as a second ruckman for most of the season. Once Vardy and someone else stepped up, they let Hawkins settle into a forward position. They found that this improved things a lot for him.

I couldn't help wondering if this hasn't been Jesse's problem this year. Whereas Mummy, I imagine has a greater level of fitness and therefore endurance.

Other things from tonight's show:

- It was pretty clear from Scott that Hawkins will be with the Cats next year so we can drop that one off these threads now;
- Players that lock arms before a GF always lose;
- More bad footage of Meaty and some shocking lip sync;
- Ten years of On the Couch done and dusted. How quickly has that gone? I still remember enjoying Monday Experts!!

Hopefully someone will give us a "learned" answer to this fitness/endurance question. Where's Dr Oz when you need him ?

[ABloodsMan]

Jesse took a mark that won us the game against North.

[aardvark]

Jesse took a mark that won us the game against North.

Yep and we've probably paid him $500,000.00+ over the last 5 years. Sounds like a fair return to me.

[Primmy]

Jesse took a mark that won us the game against North.

See!!! I Knew I had seen one!!! Ta Blood.

[Hartijon]

The fact that Hawkins "came good" in the GF in the final quarter is nothing to do with whether Jesse will come good.
Had Reid been in his All Australian form and not struggling with fitness issues I seriously doubt Hawkins would have taken those relatively pressure free marks. Sure,he exploited a weak link in the Pies chain but still had to handball off because his kicking was astray.
What all this tells us is that no two players are the same and generalisations can be wrong. If you predict that we leave Jesse in the forwards and he will come good you are bound to be right at least once. The points that need to be considered are will he become consistently good?.Would another player offer a lot more ? I don't know the answers to these questions but I also think our forward line will not be helped by anything short of buying a ready made power forward.Where do you find one of these? Is there another Pod anywhere? Big Al? Would you put the boots on again for the club?

[Big Al]

The fact that Hawkins "came good" in the GF in the final quarter is nothing to do with whether Jesse will come good.
Had Reid been in his All Australian form and not struggling with fitness issues I seriously doubt Hawkins would have taken those relatively pressure free marks. Sure,he exploited a weak link in the Pies chain but still had to handball off because his kicking was astray.
What all this tells us is that no two players are the same and generalisations can be wrong. If you predict that we leave Jesse in the forwards and he will come good you are bound to be right at least once. The points that need to be considered are will he become consistently good?.Would another player offer a lot more ? I don't know the answers to these questions but I also think our forward line will not be helped by anything short of buying a ready made power forward.Where do you find one of these? Is there another Pod anywhere? Big Al? Would you put the boots on again for the club?

Only if the price was right. A Gatorade (Sorry TripleB lol) or Powerade and a Sausage Sandwich after each game should get the deal done.

[Doctor J.]

The fact that Hawkins "came good" in the GF in the final quarter is nothing to do with whether Jesse will come good.
Had Reid been in his All Australian form and not struggling with fitness issues I seriously doubt Hawkins would have taken those relatively pressure free marks. Sure,he exploited a weak link in the Pies chain but still had to handball off because his kicking was astray.
What all this tells us is that no two players are the same and generalisations can be wrong. If you predict that we leave Jesse in the forwards and he will come good you are bound to be right at least once. The points that need to be considered are will he become consistently good?.Would another player offer a lot more ? I don't know the answers to these questions but I also think our forward line will not be helped by anything short of buying a ready made power forward.Where do you find one of these? Is there another Pod anywhere? Big Al? Would you put the boots on again for the club?

Hawkins actually played 3 fantastic finals games. He absolutely ripped Hawthorn apart the night of the qualifying final, marked everything that came his way against West Coast, and if he had kicked straight in the last q of the GF, would have been a serious challenger for the Norm Smith medal. His last "bad" game was against us down at Skilled in round 23. So it wasn't just him coming up against an injured opponent. He was in some pretty good form.

[Triple B]

The fact that Hawkins "came good" in the GF in the final quarter is nothing to do with whether Jesse will come good.
Had Reid been in his All Australian form and not struggling with fitness issues I seriously doubt Hawkins would have taken those relatively pressure free marks. Sure,he exploited a weak link in the Pies chain but still had to handball off because his kicking was astray.
What all this tells us is that no two players are the same and generalisations can be wrong. If you predict that we leave Jesse in the forwards and he will come good you are bound to be right at least once. The points that need to be considered are will he become consistently good?.Would another player offer a lot more ? I don't know the answers to these questions but I also think our forward line will not be helped by anything short of buying a ready made power forward.Where do you find one of these? Is there another Pod anywhere? Big Al? Would you put the boots on again for the club?

Chris Scott is on record as saying that Hawkins improved when they relieved him of all ruck duties and left him forward for good. They accept that they erred in asking him to perform the dual role.

I agree with you a power forward would be nice, but I can't see how we can acquire one, so I'm comfortable with giving Jesse another season to show some of the 'game' we all want to see. Leave him at FF.

Myke will be good to go next year as that ruck back-up come forward line tall and I predict will surprise many just how adept he is at that role...

[Lucky Knickers]

I hope one J White watched Tomahawks' games over the finals. He could learn a lot about how hard you need to work and lead.
The good thing is there is room for improvement from Jesse if he so desires. He's got all the weaponry.