Is talent over rated ?

[goswannie14]

No matter how hard you work, if you have no talent, then all of your hard work won't amount to much.

[Auntie.Gerald]

No matter how hard you work, if you have no talent, then all of your hard work won't amount to much.

I only agree with the above statement re athletic sports ie AFL, Football, Swimming, Sprinting, Marathons, cycling etc

But Cricket (Batting), Golf, Business, Music, Soccer (Goalie or some backs / centre mids)..... well you can certainly apply your 10,000 hr rules and be successful..............the scary part for me though is will the ten thousand hrs make you happy ? and even then you are not assured of making it

10,000hrs is 10 years at 20hrs a week for 50 weeks of the year.........and if you look at Tiger Woods, Rory Mcilroy, Roger Federer even Mozart they started at 3yrs of age and younger in Tigers case.............Mozart started at 3yrs of age and practiced every day with his father who was an excellent violin tutor.......and little Wolfy was made to practice every day for hrs!..... Mozart didnt start hitting his straps till 21yrs of age with his writing and playing etc.......ie some 18yrs later with 20hrs minimum per week practice, year in year out, with an expert tutor...........so almost 18,000 hrs of deep practice !!!

So the real worry is to be the best in 2012 and beyond will generally take 20,000 hrs minimum ! ..........maybe not in AFL....but even AFL kids from 3yrs of age kick the footy a couple hrs a day.......and more hrs as they get older when you include that most of the gun midfielders etc probably did track work, little A's, play soccer as well or basketball, touch footy, play time at lunch or morning tea break and after school so it must be close to 4hrs a day from 6/7 years of age ie 30hrs per week for the kids that have the driven parents and or lots of friends and or brothers close at hand.

the really sad part is that to be truly the best is simply obvious to the masses now........start from day 1 the child is born........structure the childs life all around the key indicators that will ensure success in the chosen sport or pursuit........and blind side the child from a balanced life......a life that is severe in its endeavour and severe in its discipline !

It almost feels like full circle.........the ninjas', the famous warriors of Rome and Arabia etc etc

but are they happy ?

[goswannie14]

I only agree with the above statement re athletic sports ie AFL, Football, Swimming, Sprinting, Marathons, cycling etc

But Cricket (Batting), Golf, Business, Music, Soccer (Goalie or some backs / centre mids)..... well you can certainly apply your 10,000 hr rules and be successful..............the scary part for me though is will the ten thousand hrs make you happy ? and even then you are not assured of making it

10,000hrs is 10 years at 20hrs a week for 50 weeks of the year.........and if you look at Tiger Woods, Rory Mcilroy, Roger Federer even Mozart they started at 3yrs of age and younger in Tigers case.............Mozart started at 3yrs of age and practiced every day with his father who was an excellent violin tutor.......and little Wolfy was made to practice every day for hrs!..... Mozart didnt start hitting his straps till 21yrs of age with his writing and playing etc.......ie some 18yrs later with 20hrs minimum per week practice, year in year out, with an expert tutor...........so almost 18,000 hrs of deep practice !!!

So the real worry is to be the best in 2012 and beyond will generally take 20,000 hrs minimum ! ..........maybe not in AFL....but even AFL kids from 3yrs of age kick the footy a couple hrs a day.......and more hrs as they get older when you include that most of the gun midfielders etc probably did track work, little A's, play soccer as well or basketball, touch footy, play time at lunch or morning tea break and after school so it must be close to 4hrs a day from 6/7 years of age ie 30hrs per week for the kids that have the driven parents and or lots of friends and or brothers close at hand.

the really sad part is that to be truly the best is simply obvious to the masses now........start from day 1 the child is born........structure the childs life all around the key indicators that will ensure success in the chosen sport or pursuit........and blind side the child from a balanced life......a life that is severe in its endeavour and severe in its discipline !

It almost feels like full circle.........the ninjas', the famous warriors of Rome and Arabia etc etc

but are they happy ?

I wrote the comment in the context of AFL, as that is what I gathered the thread was about.

As a musician from a musical family, I disagree that someone with no talent and a lot of hard work can be a musician. I have had to put up with some of them when I lead choirs.

[ROK Lobster]

I wrote the comment in the context of AFL, as that is what I gathered the thread was about.

As a musician from a musical family, I disagree that someone with no talent and a lot of hard work can be a musician. I have had to put up with some of them when I lead choirs.

It's the same with sport. If you ain't good enough, you ain't good enough. It won't matter how much you work.

[wolftone57]

I wrote the comment in the context of AFL, as that is what I gathered the thread was about.

As a musician from a musical family, I disagree that someone with no talent and a lot of hard work can be a musician. I have had to put up with some of them when I lead choirs.

I agree and talentless musician makes a cacophony not a symphony

[Big Al]

I agree and talentless musician makes a cacophony not a symphony

Ah I can see it now, Michael Bolton and The Spice Girls combine to perform the Crapola Cacophony in F Minor.

[Hartijon]

So true. I played in the same schoolboy team as one player who played for Geelong in the VFL the next year. 6 others went on to make the top grade in SANFL. They had terrific talent ,I worked harder but did not have their talent (or height). The talent today is awesome and coupled with the intense training regimes is producing a dedicated range of top players.