Round 7: Sydney Uni v Sydney Swans Reserves

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    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 15961

    Originally posted by Triple B
    As much as we all like him and want him to step up, the fact is, he has been relatively injury free this year as far as we know, but his games in the ressies have been underwhelming to say the least for a player we have such high hopes for. As he even made the bests list in any games this year?
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    • Triple B
      Formerly 'BBB'
      • Feb 2003
      • 6999

      Originally posted by stellation
      Jed was taken 21st overall? There's a huge difference between that and where Gary was taken.....
      No argument there.

      I'm just pointing out that whilst I don't necessarily agree with Reggi's assessment that he 'probably won't make it', his tardy start to the year is surely a worry. With our current mini-crisis with injuries and a largely dysfunctional forward line, there have been a multitude of scenarios put forward on how it can be addressed and who should move up to fill the void and not one of them scenarios involve Jed, who has played all the ressies games but hasn't impressed enough to even get a mention.

      When a post starts 'With respect', you just know there is about to be a slapping. Not sure he deserved it for a reasonable view.
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      • wolftone57
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2008
        • 5835

        Originally posted by jono2707
        Can you confirm on what basis you're judging Jed to be too bulky? The Swans website lists him as 182cm and 79kg, which is probably still a bit light on by a few kgs for today's footballers. When I saw him in person at the trial vs the Suns at Blacktown he looked pretty lean and I certainly didn't think he was overly bulky - I didn't pay that much attention though.

        I would have though his issue will be building a big enough motor to earn himself a game, particularly as small forwards these days are expected to chase hard and cover a heap of ground. As others have said earlier today, he is coming off an injury interrupted year last year, which would have set him back considerably in building the required motor. Also as noted they often bulk them up as a priority and then set about building their endurance - I am not in the least bit worried at his non- appearance in the 1sts at this stage...

        Jonno the numbers on height and weight at the Swans sight are sometimes not accurate. I have seen them say a player is so & so weight and in another part of the sight or in an article it will say something completely different. So bloody confusing. The sight has probably not been updated in a while, at least the start of the season when the main list was decided. He has since spent some time injured and had a lot of gym time as well as running and no group training. Since the season started he has played all games and been training normally but his pre-season was interrupted. I am just judging on looking at him go around the park and I saw him up very close in two resies matches. He looks to me to have put on some bulk. I am just wondering if that has had an effect on his aerobic abilities? That is all!

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        • wolftone57
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2008
          • 5835

          Originally posted by Reggi
          Really. Which ones? I think that is rare. Very unlikely to make it if not in the mix now
          How about in the past Brett Kirk, Paul Kelly, Mickey O'Loughlin and Adam Goodes weren't immediate starters as soon as they joined the Swans they all took a couple of seasons to adapt. Reg had to be moved to defence after failing as a forward with a stint in the resies. LRT didn't just turn up and get a game he had to battle. Marty and Rhyce were unwanted by their previous clubs. Jetts got sent back to the resies. Seabs has spent plenty of time in our resies and was unwanted at his previous club. Joey and Benny were unwanted by their previous clubs and played a lot of reserves at the Hawks. Macca and Mal did their time in the resies too. So quite a few players there.

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          • Triple B
            Formerly 'BBB'
            • Feb 2003
            • 6999

            Originally posted by wolftone57
            How about in the past.... Mickey O'Loughlin..... weren't immediate starters as soon as they joined the Swans they all took a couple of seasons to adapt. ....
            Really??
            Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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            • wolftone57
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2008
              • 5835

              Originally posted by stellation
              Jed was taken 21st overall? There's a huge difference between that and where Gary was taken; I appreciate he was our first pick, and it was in the first round, but it was in one of the oddity drafts- if he goes in a non-oddity year then 21st overall is in the 2nd round.

              Whilst you'd always love it if they could, I don't really think the club took him expecting him to play seniors straight away. I've only caught a handful of quarters of the magoos this year and haven't seen a lot of him, but even if being underwhelming in those games would be more likely to be "dissapointing this year so far" as opposed to "dissapointing as a draft pick".
              Agree with this and he did have an injury in the pre-season. He will come good I sure as he has the sort of talent that is enigmatic. The sort of stuff a Daicos used to do this kid is capable of. So don't write him off just yet!

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              • Cpt. Kirk
                Warming the Bench
                • Feb 2011
                • 351

                Aren't they trying him in a new role? Maybe that is the reason why he isn't playing as good as you have seen over last year. He will come good sometimes just takes a while for them to understand what it takes.

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                • magic.merkin
                  Senior Player
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 1199

                  Nick Smith was taken as a rookie in 2007 and didn't get elevated/play regular games until 2009. Settle pettle!

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                  • Dosser
                    Just wild about Harry
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1833

                    Originally posted by wolftone57
                    Jonno the numbers on height and weight at the Swans sight are sometimes not accurate. I have seen them say a player is so & so weight and in another part of the sight or in an article it will say something completely different. So bloody confusing. The sight has probably not been updated in a while, at least the start of the season when the main list was decided. He has since spent some time injured and had a lot of gym time as well as running and no group training. Since the season started he has played all games and been training normally but his pre-season was interrupted. I am just judging on looking at him go around the park and I saw him up very close in two resies matches. He looks to me to have put on some bulk. I am just wondering if that has had an effect on his aerobic abilities? That is all!
                    I always find the height/weight stats to be a little amusing. It is in the best interest of a club to underquote a player's height in an attempt to undermine the opposition pre-game matchups - especially for new or previously unseen players. It is only a very small detail, but it happens a lot. Check Rohan's stats if you want proof.

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9718

                      Originally posted by Dosser
                      I always find the height/weight stats to be a little amusing. It is in the best interest of a club to underquote a player's height in an attempt to undermine the opposition pre-game matchups - especially for new or previously unseen players. It is only a very small detail, but it happens a lot. Check Rohan's stats if you want proof.
                      I can clearly recall seeing Gaz out at BOP for the NAB Cup fixture and squealing like a school girl when I realised how tall he was.
                      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • Plugger46
                        Senior Player
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 3674

                        Originally posted by wolftone57
                        How about in the past Brett Kirk, Paul Kelly, Mickey O'Loughlin and Adam Goodes weren't immediate starters as soon as they joined the Swans they all took a couple of seasons to adapt. Reg had to be moved to defence after failing as a forward with a stint in the resies. LRT didn't just turn up and get a game he had to battle. Marty and Rhyce were unwanted by their previous clubs. Jetts got sent back to the resies. Seabs has spent plenty of time in our resies and was unwanted at his previous club. Joey and Benny were unwanted by their previous clubs and played a lot of reserves at the Hawks. Macca and Mal did their time in the resies too. So quite a few players there.
                        Read the post again. Reggi's talking about 1st round picks.
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                        • Reggi
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2718

                          goodes was well on his way to winning the rising star at the Same point in his career. O'loughlin played seniors kicking 3 goals game one. Kelly similar. None were languishing in the reserves.

                          Don't know how you couldn't say he isn't a disappointment, and at this stage hard to understand how he was drafted 21
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                          • jono2707
                            Goes up to 11
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 3326

                            Originally posted by Reggi
                            goodes was well on his way to winning the rising star at the Same point in his career. O'loughlin played seniors kicking 3 goals game one. Kelly similar. None were languishing in the reserves.

                            Don't know how you couldn't say he isn't a disappointment, and at this stage hard to understand how he was drafted 21
                            Yes its a disappointment that he isn't playing in the 1's. Fair enough. However Jed was pretty highly rated prior to the draft and it seems that being drafted somewhere between 15 and 25 was fair enough according to most. So if he does turn out to eventually being a bust, maybe it's just the Swans' bad luck that could just as easily have been the bad luck of any of a number of other teams that could have drafted him.

                            What I would not want to see is our club picking players from nowhere, that aren't rated highly by anyone, with our high draft picks, that turn out to be busts. No one in the AFL has done that too much as far as I would understand but team like the Knicks in the NBA had a bit of a habit a few years ago of picking crazy picks with early draft picks that ended up busting pretty quickly.

                            I guess what I'm trying to say is that drafting is not an exact art, and not all high draft picks work out, for various reasons, and sometimes those reasons don't come to the fore until after they're drafted. Disappointed, yes, but not giving up on seeing Jed make something of himself yet.

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                            • Triple B
                              Formerly 'BBB'
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6999

                              Originally posted by jono2707
                              What I would not want to see is our club picking players from nowhere, that aren't rated highly by anyone, with our high draft picks, that turn out to be busts.
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                              • jono2707
                                Goes up to 11
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 3326

                                Originally posted by Triple B
                                DOK say's hi.....
                                Um, can we forget that one???

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