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  • Dynamo Jim
    On the Rookie List
    • Jun 2012
    • 2

    Originally posted by Untamed Snark
    I have a theory that Moore is being prepared for a coaching position, not based on any facts or anything, just my observations on him when he plays with the ressies, he is very good with the young ones.
    As I said not based on anything but guesswork.
    It would be good to see him in the firsts though
    Agree, he is seen for his leadership, he mentors a couple of the younger kids in the senior team ad provides a good role model to the younger reserve kids coming through. I think you'll see him take on a coach role with the reserves and go from there.

    On Mal, I think we need to remember he has been a good player for us for a long time especially when he has three ACL's recons over his career. I'm backing him to return with fire and flair this weekend....could loose the beard though.

    Surprised Everitt is back in the side, suspect this is a structural decision to play him on the wing. We'll see how he goes.

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    • giant
      Veterans List
      • Mar 2005
      • 4731

      I had a feeling the selections wouldn't be well received here...

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      • jono2707
        Goes up to 11
        • Oct 2007
        • 3326

        I'm a bit surprised to see Everitt back but I'm ok with Mal. It's a big game and he has the experience, and hopefully he's done the work on the training track over the last couple of weeks to prove his worth. Remember when he's been at his best in the past he has added some real skill and penetration to the team. Also remember he's had a shocking run with injuries over his career, and I would guess his confidence is somewhat down at the moment - before throwing anger or vitriol or whatever in Mal's way, just bear that in mind please.....

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        • 707
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2009
          • 6204

          For weeks, people on here were calling for Everitt and Mal to be dropped, Then they were dropped and most people were happy :-)

          Now they're back :-(

          Surely Everitt will be in the green vest, got to start getting more senior game time into Armstrong.

          Essendon have only lost one of thirteen games under Hird at Etihad so it's a big ask to beat them. This however is a classic eight point game and pivotal to our season, beat Essendon and we go above them on the ladder. Lose and we're two games behind.

          I just wish the ins gave me more confidence.

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          • Beerman
            Regular in the Side
            • Oct 2010
            • 823

            Mal was very good earlier in the year but his kicking efficiency has dropped off. Hopefully he just needed a rest and can be back to his best this week.

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            • Donners
              On the Rookie List
              • Jan 2003
              • 1061

              I am happy to see Mal back. Everitt shows glimpses of an ability to contribute, but he goes missing for so much of the game - much like White.

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              • Dosser
                Just wild about Harry
                • Mar 2011
                • 1833

                Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                Malceski and Everitt in
                Just when we were in danger of actually moving forward.

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                • caj23
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 2462

                  Originally posted by The Big Cat
                  What's the alternative? Morton? - Kicked a few goals in the ressies but obviously hasn't impressed anyone in the club with the rest of his game. Gordon - hard at it but nothing to suggest he is a senior player. Cunningham? - promising but playing a top side might be a bridge too far. Spanger? Means you have to drop LRT or Reid and they both did well last week. White? - Ditto. Walsh - Ditto. Mitchell? still reaching full fitness. With Rohan, McGlynn, Parker, Goodes all out of contention that leaves (besides those above) Lamb (Inj), Meredith (?) Seaby (Another ruckman!) Lockyer (Injured) Moore (Probably should have been next in line but too slow under the roof against Ess) Brown? (second game back!)

                  My dad used to say that you can't pull up your socks if you haven't got any on!
                  LOL I was waiting for John I mean The Big Cat to show up

                  Over 5 and a half seasons with numerous chances at two different clubs Everitt has shown nothing to suggest that he is a senior AFL player, yet your happy to come in here and lay the boots into Morton, Gordon, Cunningham and co by saying they're not up to it. Whilst I agree that there weren't many options Longmire and co have gone for the unimaginative one that has already failed on multiple occassions

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                  • sprite
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 813

                    The way I see match ups, which need to be considered when selecting teams

                    B: Nicholas Smith, Ted Richards, Rhyce Shaw
                    F: Alwyn Davey, Patrick Ryder, Michael Hurley

                    HB, Martin Mattner Heath Grundy Alex Johnson
                    HF: Jake Melksham, Stewart Crameri, David Zaharakis

                    C: Lewis Jetta, Josh Kennedy, Sam Reid
                    C: Ricky Dyson, Jobe Watson, Brent Stanton

                    HF: Kieren Jack ( switch with Jetta, at half way mark each qtr), Mike Pyke (ruck in fwd line ) Ryan O'Keefe
                    HB: Jake Carlisle, Kyle Hardingham, Courtenay Dempsey

                    F: Trent Dennis-Lane, , Lewis Roberts-Thomson , Jarrad McVeigh
                    B: Dyson Heppell, Dustin Fletcher, Cale Hooker

                    Foll: Shane Mumford(swap with LRT), Jude Bolton (rest FP, swap with Macca), Daniel Hannebery
                    Foll: Tom Bellchambers, Heath Hocking, Sam Lonergan

                    I/C: Nick Malceski (rotate HBF/ wing/ HFF), Andrejs Everitt (rotate CHF), Tony Armstrong(emg) Craig Bird (switch with Dan H and Rotating tag)
                    I/C: Angus Monfries, Leroy Jetta, David Myers, Ben Howlett
                    sprite

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                    • longmile
                      Crumber
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 3362

                      I think Everitt was a pretty predictable and disappointing change, let's hope he's sub and Armstrong plays a full game in Malceski's position and Malceski moves up the wing, he's still a good attacking footballer, just his defensive work has been questionable.

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                      • DeadlyAkkuret
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 4547

                        Everitt to kick 4, including the sealer*



                        *or fumble on the wing that leads to Essendon taking back the lead with 5 seconds to go.

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                        • The Big Cat
                          On the veteran's list
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2350

                          Originally posted by caj23
                          LOL I was waiting for John I mean The Big Cat to show up

                          Over 5 and a half seasons with numerous chances at two different clubs Everitt has shown nothing to suggest that he is a senior AFL player, yet your happy to come in here and lay the boots into Morton, Gordon, Cunningham and co by saying they're not up to it. Whilst I agree that there weren't many options Longmire and co have gone for the unimaginative one that has already failed on multiple occassions
                          I think the selection of Everitt is imaginative. The coaching staff know he has limitations, but obviously less than the other alternatives available. I didn't say that Morton wasn't up to it, as his good games at Richmond would suggest the contrary. However at this time, it would appear he has not mastered the improvements to his game that the coaching staff have set him as non-negotiables for senior selection. I think Cunningham will ultimately make it but needs time, and a full house at Etihad in a pressure game may not be his go AT THIS TIME. Gordon on the other hand has a bit of the headless chook about him. After all he is a running machine that they are trying to make a footballer out of. It could take more time learning the basics at lower levels. Everett is obviously training well and is meeting the requirements for selection that the coaches have set. As JL has said - players are not given games at Sydney, they have earn their selection. Enough said. I don't live in Sydney and don't attend every training session, and am not privy to the internal benchmarks set for players therefore I am only TRYING to see it through the experienced eyes of those in the know.
                          Last edited by The Big Cat; 7 June 2012, 09:38 PM.
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                          • dimelb
                            pr. dim-melb; m not f
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6889

                            Originally posted by longmile
                            I think Everitt was a pretty predictable and disappointing change, let's hope he's sub and Armstrong plays a full game in Malceski's position and Malceski moves up the wing, he's still a good attacking footballer, just his defensive work has been questionable.
                            I think a fresh Moore would be a better sub than Everitt.
                            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                            • swansprincess
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 306

                              Originally posted by The Big Cat
                              I think the selection of Everitt is imaginative. The coaching staff know he has limitations, but obviously less than the other alternatives available.
                              The coaching staff may know that everitt has limitations but they wouldn't know if morton, gordon, spangher etc. have limitations because they haven't been given a goddamn chance to play this year.

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16744

                                While I do think the changes are uninspiring and conservative, there are some reasonable explanations.

                                Everitt will almost certainly get the sub vest and clearly the coaches rate his versatility. I reckon Spangher could play the same range of roles as Everitt but none of us knows what his fitness levels are like yet, and they may well want to keep getting more game time into him in the reserves so he can come in and make a strong contribution in the second half of the season. I don't think there is anyone else on our list (who is fit) who offers the versatility that these two provide.

                                Eski, when fit and firing, is one of the top half dozen offensive players in our squad, IMO. He knows how to find the ball and moves it forward quickly. He played some pretty good football earlier in the season. However, I suspect he is a player whose form tapers off quickly when he is sore, and the ongoing issues he has had with his knees I reckon make him more susceptible than most. I am speculating that this is why he has dropped off over the past few weeks. Notwithstanding that his form hasn't been great, I still think that - right now - he is more likely to contribute to a win than, say Harry. It comes down to when you give inexperienced players games just to start giving them a chance vs maximising the likelihood of winning a particular game. We supporters love seeing young players come in and get their chances, but I don't think Harry has exactly been knocking the door down with his form in the reserves. He has been solid and I think he continues to look like a very good prospect but he is being trialled in different roles.

                                The reality is that we don't have that much depth right now. We are missing 4 players who would be automatic first team choices, all of our main list draftees from last year are still getting their bodies ready for senior AFL, as is Lamb. Moore, I suspect, has his cards marked and won't get a game this year unless we become desparate (unfair though that might seem). Spangher has a history of injuries so you can understand why they are being cautious. White, Walsh, Heath and Seaby best fit into roles already covered in the senior team. Goodness knows what is going on with Meredith. For all the goals he has kicked, I don't think Morton's tackling and overall work rate has been remotely close to AFL standard, based on what I've seen of him this year. And Harry and Nipper have a total of 3 games senior experience between them and have had fluctuating NEAFL form.

                                We have lost two tough, in-and-under, smallish players and the reality is we don't currently have ready replacements running around in the twos.

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