Why we should be outright premierhip favourite

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  • Matimbo
    Warming the Bench
    • Apr 2009
    • 334

    #16
    Originally posted by barry
    And this is where having Adelaide is great, because then the grand final is played at a neutral venue, and this is the key for us to have a much better chance of taking "grandfinalist" and raising it to "premier".
    I tend to think in a Swans v Crows GF, we will actually have the crowd behind us and thus defacto home ground advantage ... still many Vics can't stand South Aussies when it comes to AFL.
    CIA Agent to Policeman: "Have you ever had anti-terrorist training?"
    Policeman: "Yes, I was married once."

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    • Rob-bloods
      What a year 2005 SSFC/CFC
      • Aug 2003
      • 931

      #17
      We have had a terrific season, our draw to date has been reasonable, not the toughest, certainly not the easiest, regrettably I think we lack at least a key forward and defender to go deep in September, facing Hawks or Pies at the MCG with LRT and Reid as our forward line is simply not enough, and Grundy needs to play with a lot more poise, unlike when BBBH murdered him in that final. It's true that anyone can beat anyone this year, but in finals we realistically look a player or two and a little experience short. But then again.....
      Sports do not build character. They reveal it....Heywood Broun

      I always turn to the sports pages first, which record people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures......Earl Warren

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      • gomobeel
        On the Rookie List
        • Aug 2012
        • 9

        #18
        more to the point why do the swans have to give up their hone ground advantage in the finals?....no other team does it...when we played finalsin 1996, 2005 & 2006 we played at the SCG....why give that advantage away to play at bloody homebush?...top 2 finish vital for the swans....but let's play at the REAL G!!

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        • erica
          Happy and I know it
          • Jan 2008
          • 1247

          #19
          Originally posted by gomobeel
          more to the point why do the swans have to give up their hone ground advantage in the finals?....no other team does it...when we played finalsin 1996, 2005 & 2006 we played at the SCG....why give that advantage away to play at bloody homebush?...top 2 finish vital for the swans....but let's play at the REAL G!!
          Yeah, well it's not going to happen because there are contracts in place. Can we stop going around in circles about this?
          All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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          • ShockOfHair
            One Man Out
            • Dec 2007
            • 3668

            #20
            We don't deserve to be outright favourites because we're still an unknown quantity against the other contenders. A lot has changed since we played them.

            If we win on Saturday it proves we deserve to be a close second favourite after Hawthorn. If we lose we're going to have to beat Hawthorn and Geelong to prove ourselves (and hang onto a top two spot).
            The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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            • gomobeel
              On the Rookie List
              • Aug 2012
              • 9

              #21
              Originally posted by erica
              Yeah, well it's not going to happen because there are contracts in place. Can we stop going around in circles about this?
              just joined this site today so didn't realise you'd been doing circle work with this topic....and quite frankly screw the contracts...

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              • ScottH
                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                • Sep 2003
                • 23665

                #22
                Originally posted by gomobeel
                just joined this site today so didn't realise you'd been doing circle work with this topic....and quite frankly screw the contracts...
                Many of us agree, but just have to live with it for now.

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                • DamY
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 1479

                  #23
                  welcome to the site gomobeel

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                  • barry
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                    Eagles would be the best possible draw, but they wont make it that far.

                    Freo are improving but unlikely to get that far either.

                    On the whole, I'd be most confident playing Hawthorn in the GF.
                    Madness, the only place I want to play Hawthorn is in Sydney in a prelim or 1st final.

                    Speaking of which, how good would it be if Port got up over the Hawks this weekend. New coach, major bollocking after GWS loss. Happened plenty of times before.

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                    • Industrial Fan
                      Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 3318

                      #25
                      Originally posted by barry
                      Madness, the only place I want to play Hawthorn is in Sydney in a prelim or 1st final.

                      Speaking of which, how good would it be if Port got up over the Hawks this weekend. New coach, major bollocking after GWS loss. Happened plenty of times before.
                      We've already beaten Hawthorn this year in Tassie. Why is that madness?
                      He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                      • barry
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                        We've already beaten Hawthorn this year in Tassie. Why is that madness?
                        because they are the in-form team of the moment, playing better than when we last met them, and tassie is close to a neutral venue compared to the MCG. (ie both teams had the inconvenience of travel).

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                        • aardvark
                          Veterans List
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 5685

                          #27
                          Originally posted by barry
                          because they are the in-form team of the moment,
                          I was sure they lost last week.....just saying.

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                          • Melbournehammer
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2007
                            • 1815

                            #28
                            It's actually not true in any case. Home ground advantage is generally lost by Geelong, essendon and Carlton, all of whom play at etihad.

                            The truth is that it doesn't matter where we play or who against. It is whether our midfield can kick enough goals and place enough pressure on their opponents to assist our undersized defenders from playing one on one. Bigger grounds are difficult because the up and back we use is exhausting, particularly since we get so few marks forward of centre to assist our players in this.

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                            • barry
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 8499

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Melbournehammer
                              It's actually not true in any case. Home ground advantage is generally lost by Geelong, essendon and Carlton, all of whom play at etihad.

                              The truth is that it doesn't matter where we play or who against. It is whether our midfield can kick enough goals and place enough pressure on their opponents to assist our undersized defenders from playing one on one. Bigger grounds are difficult because the up and back we use is exhausting, particularly since we get so few marks forward of centre to assist our players in this.
                              Im sorry to say, but I think that is total BS.

                              For a start home ground advantage is a combination of things:
                              1) Where youve played at least a few times recently, and know the wind/turf conditions. (MCG is not one for us)
                              2) Where you dont have to travel to, and come and go to the ground from the comfort of your own house (and keep the same pre/post match routine)
                              3) Where the fans are at least 50/50 on your side.

                              The other thing to consider is the cummulative effect of travel. As Leigh Matthews said, travelling 2 weeks in a row, in the great brisbane sides, was a real struggle, and their win/loss ratio on the 2nd trip was well down.

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                              • Thunder Shaker
                                Aut vincere aut mori
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 4202

                                #30
                                We won't know for sure how we would go until after Round 23 when we've played our tough games against our nemesis Collingwood, an in-form Hawthorn and the resurgent Cats. (We should beat the Bulldogs comfortably.) Win all three and we can talk up our premiership credentials after finishing on top of the ladder. Lose one, we still finish on top and we can discuss making the Grand Final. Lose two and the talk will be about whether we can make the Grand Final. Lose all three and we will hope to make a preliminary final.

                                The vagaries of the fixture have given us our easy games first and some tough games last. That's why we're on top of the ladder at the moment and not third or fourth. That's why we're not favourites yet: the three tough games are still to come and the realistic assessment is that we are likely to lose at least one of them. Yet we can hope to win these tough games because we can if we are good enough. This season is playing out remarkably like a video game with the toughest bosses to fight at the end: Collingwood, bonus round, Hawthorn, Geelong, Qualifying Final, Preliminary Final and Epic Boss At The End for the Win.

                                May we prevail!
                                "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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