Is the 2012 team as good as 2005's

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  • barry
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 8499

    Is the 2012 team as good as 2005's

    For most of the season I have been thinking that this years team isnt as good as 2005, and therefore a premiership will be hard.

    But the last few games are turning me around. Kennedy is the midfield Goodes of 2005.

    Pyke is the "LRT", the rough code convert who has our hearts in our mouths. But Pyke is a playing well, and plays an area of the game (forward and mid) where mistakes dont always cost goals (LRT was CHB).

    Our forward line is not up to 2005, but closing the gap every day. It works bueatifully when all parts are assembled. No one is the dominant Barry Hall, but Reid, LRT, Goodes, McGlynn, Martin/Midfielder all work well together.

    The only question, is can you win a flag without a dominant forward. West Coast proved you can in 2006, but you need a gun midfield (which we have), and you only win by a point. !!
  • dimelb
    pr. dim-melb; m not f
    • Jun 2003
    • 6889

    #2
    The forward line is not conventional blockbuster material, but it works. Covering Reid is a big job. Covering Reid and LRT is a very big job. Covering Reid, LRT and Pyke/Mumford is an alarming job, and if they all switch on, it becomes mission impossible.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8166

      #3
      I'll leave comparing the team to the 2005 version to hopefully the day after the Grand Final, but I will comment on our forward line.

      When we are playing well and switched on (see first half of the third quarter yesterday), we have a midfield that can dominate possession, break hard, create a lot of space and get forward quickly. When this happens, our forward line looks very good and we kick plenty of goals. When our midfield struggles, then generally our forward line looks slow,static and not particularly good. Our forward line is certainly not up there on paper with probably 4 or 5 others, but the rest of the team really helps to make up for it, and when we are playing well then it is a very effective forward line indeed.
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • Industrial Fan
        Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
        • Aug 2006
        • 3318

        #4
        We could beat Collingwood in 2005.

        Probably better drilled then too, with better defined outlets and ability to gain control of a game that was not going our way.
        He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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        • Big Al
          Veterans List
          • Feb 2005
          • 7007

          #5
          2012 would murder the 2005 side. Both hard at it but the outside run of 2012 would be too much for the 2005 side. 2012 is also better coached.
          ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

          Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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          • BillyRayCypress
            On the Rookie List
            • May 2012
            • 1379

            #6
            I think you also need to look at the opposition. That is alot better in 2012 than in 2005 or 2006.

            The 2012 side is better on and off the field.
            Nothing like a good light bulb moment.

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            • Nico
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 11339

              #7
              Originally posted by Big Al
              2012 would murder the 2005 side. Both hard at it but the outside run of 2012 would be too much for the 2005 side. 2012 is also better coached.
              Strewth Al thats a bit tough on Roosey. After all we did win the flag. I think the similarity is that both sides have solid, scrooge backlines. We had the line breaking Kennelly and to a lesser extent Crouch and the 2012 backline is very similar. Reg does worry me though with his disposal and uncertainty at times. Overall I think we have a better depth in our midfield this year. Another similarity is that we are winning almost all the close ones. Also we have won 16 games the most in a season since 1996 and have probably been more consitent. For mine, a deadheat, can't pick it.
              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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              • hot potato
                Sir Ashmole Gruntbucket
                • Jun 2007
                • 1122

                #8
                Memory is fading a bit , but gut feeling the 2012 team is better equipped from a versatility point of view...
                "He was proud of us when we won and he was still proud of us when we lost' Tami Roos about Paul Sept 06.

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                • Captain
                  Captain of the Side
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3602

                  #9
                  2005 team had more stars.

                  2012 team has less duds.

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                  • barry
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Captain
                    2005 team had more stars.

                    2012 team has less duds.
                    Good summary. Our 2012 team is a lot like West Coasts 2005/06 team.

                    If Swans 2005 played Swans 2012, it would be a very hard slog not unlike the collingwood game we saw last week. And who would Goodes, LRT play for ?

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                    • ScottH
                      It's Goodes to cheer!!
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 23665

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Captain
                      2005 team had more stars.

                      2012 team has less duds.
                      Yep. Nail. Head!!

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                      • Dosser
                        Just wild about Harry
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 1833

                        #12
                        Is Everitt the 2012 Bevan?

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                        • DA_Swan
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 322

                          #13
                          Given what Barry hall did to us when he went to the dogs - not sure the 2012 version could handle Barry and Micky O and Goodes and ROK at their best

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                          • Captain
                            Captain of the Side
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 3602

                            #14
                            Who would we actually have to play on Goodes?

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                            • CJK
                              Human
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2170

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Captain
                              Who would we actually have to play on Goodes?
                              Goodes?
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