Tippett!!

[chammond]

I love this thread: it contains more opinion, information, misinformation, disinformation, re-writing of history and outright bulldust than any other I've seen; pretty much the perfect forum!

One fact that seems to have been overlooked or ignored is that the Swans did not make a bad decision in extending Tippett's contract in 2016; they had no choice. The extension was performance-based and dependent upon the conditions in the original 4 year contract. The performance that triggered the extension was the 2015 season; Tippett was one of the best players in the AFL in 2015. Based on that form, the Swans were pleased that he wanted to extend. They subsequently renegotiated the contract to ameliorate the impact on the salary cap, but there was never any possibility of reducing the total dollars involved.

I was never a big Tippett fan, but I did recognise that he was delivering what he promised. He was recruited because the Swans recognised that we couldn't waste Goodes' talents by playing him as a permanent full-forward. Tippett promised a strong-marking 40 goal-a-season forward, and we were happy to pay big bucks for that. And, until the injuries wore him down, that's exactly what he delivered. The Swans' Tippett turned out to be very similar to the Crows' Tippett - surprise, surprise!

Tippett's biggest problem was that he always tried to do more than that, crashing packs, laying tackles, and making second and third efforts. And that's when he got injured, and sometimes stupidly played with injuries, which ultimately ruined his career.

[barry]

Thank you.
That explains a lot about your opinions and allows me to understand why you say what you say.

Absolutely. I demand excellence from my sporting teams. I find no joy in supporting perenial cellar dwellers, and choose my teams based on a number of factors, one of which is that the club has deep down, insatiable craving for success. Where every decision is not just to survive, but to thrive.

For example, I dont believe Buddy was brought in to just balance the books.

[Bloods05]

Absolutely. I demand excellence from my sporting teams. I find no joy in supporting perenial cellar dwellers, and choose my teams based on a number of factors, one of which is that the club has deep down, insatiable craving for success. Where every decision is not just to survive, but to thrive.

For example, I dont believe Buddy was brought in to just balance the books.

I recently read an article about Peter Stubbs and his reasons for supporting the Swans. He was quoted as saying that he continued to support them after they moved to Sydney because "if your brother moves interstate, you don't choose another brother". I loved that. It is the polar opposite of this attitude. We all want success; none of us enjoys losing. But the kind of love that Stubbs refers to here goes so much deeper than the "insatiable craving for success", and it's what a genuine club culture is built around. Without such a foundation, success is empty and meaningless. It is exactly what is lacking at GWS and Gold Coast, and will be for decades if not indefinitely.

[Dan]

I'm pretty sure when Tippo wasn't injured, statistically he was the best Ruck-FWD in the competition (I don't have any stats to back this up though, I just remember reading some stuff ages ago). Yes, injuries cruelled him, but at the time having Tippett on our team was the right decision. I'd guess that every club has a big profile signing that never worked out as planned, that's just life.

[CureTheSane]

Absolutely. I demand excellence from my sporting teams. I find no joy in supporting perenial cellar dwellers, and choose my teams based on a number of factors, one of which is that the club has deep down, insatiable craving for success. Where every decision is not just to survive, but to thrive.

For example, I dont believe Buddy was brought in to just balance the books.

I took something different from that.
IMO your expectations are inflated, warped, and unrealistic.
If your comments are based on those expectations, it helps me out because some of your comments can now be taken more with a grain of salt.

I expect that the Swans strive for excellence.
Nobody enjoys supporting cellar dwellers, but many of us have lived this with the Swans, and continued to support them through it.
You only choose a team once, then you continue to support them regardless of any factors.
Every club craves success and wants to thrive.

[barry]

I took something different from that.
IMO your expectations are inflated, warped, and unrealistic.

Take 2012 premiership side and add buddy and Tippet = expect another flag or two.

Nothing inflated, warped or unrealistic about that. In fact in 2016 it happened if you dont believe in fairytales.

You would need to be a true pessimist to not think that. (Especially when Buddy comes from the main contender you just beat in 2012. ie youve weakened your main rival)

[barry]

I recently read an article about Peter Stubbs and his reasons for supporting the Swans. He was quoted as saying that he continued to support them after they moved to Sydney because "if your brother moves interstate, you don't choose another brother". I loved that. It is the polar opposite of this attitude. We all want success; none of us enjoys losing. But the kind of love that Stubbs refers to here goes so much deeper than the "insatiable craving for success", and it's what a genuine club culture is built around. Without such a foundation, success is empty and meaningless.

I don't idolise those old south fans, I pity them, same as I pity Gold coast fans today.

You can't pick your family, but you can pick your sporting team (although geography has a lot to do with it) :

[Vonsteinman]

I don't idolise those old south fans, I pity them, same as I pity Gold coast fans today.

You can't pick your family, but you can pick your sporting team (although geography has a lot to do with it) :

That’s funny. As an ‘old South Fan’, I pity you.

[Bloods05]

I don't idolise those old south fans, I pity them, same as I pity Gold coast fans today.

You can't pick your family, but you can pick your sporting team (although geography has a lot to do with it) :

I don't think you could have missed the point more comprehensively if you tried.

[AnnieH]

Take 2012 premiership side and add buddy and Tippet = expect another flag or two.

Nothing inflated, warped or unrealistic about that. In fact in 2016 it happened if you dont believe in fairytales.

You would need to be a true pessimist to not think that. (Especially when Buddy comes from the main contender you just beat in 2012. ie youve weakened your main rival)

2012 was a long time ago... all premiership points have officially run out.
Truth is, in 2016, they didn't play a good enough game to win a granny... weren't Tipoff and Buddy playing??

[Doctor J.]

If his body is good enuff to play for Strath, and he’s on our rookie list anyway, why isn’t he playing in our reserves in the NEAFL. Could be the difference come NEAFL finals time

Wasn't in 2017. He played in the Reserves grand final loss to Brisbane.

[barry]

2012 was a long time ago... all premiership points have officially run out.
Truth is, in 2016, they didn't play a good enough game to win a granny... weren't Tipoff and Buddy playing??

The Tippett premiership window has definitely closed......unless he's on the rookie list for one last crack!

[barry]

I don't think you could have missed the point more comprehensively if you tried.

threads, especially this one, are not the gun-barrell highway. They are meandering country lanes with many interesting side tracks.

[Bloods05]

threads, especially this one, are not the gun-barrell highway. They are meandering country lanes with many interesting side tracks.

You're a poet Baz.

[stevoswan]

2012 was a long time ago... all premiership points have officially run out.
Truth is, in 2016, they didn't play a good enough game to win a granny... weren't Tipoff and Buddy playing??

Agree, we weren't at our best that day but if the free kick count was more even, we would have won it by half time....we were still only seven points down early in the last. The umpiring gave the Fairypups hope and it took the wind out of our sails.....and they capitalised. We were screwed....big time.