Hope not.....

[erica]

But, on second thoughts, that's what RWO is all about, isn't it?

[Sandridge]

What is awful is that I found myself making an assessment of some of our younger players and wondering if....I mean so much new muscle....and then I felt quite ashamed of myself. Then I got mad that I felt this way. I look at our staff and think that there is no way any of these long time staffers, and I mean looooonnngg time, would engage in such activity. Can you imagine Richard Colless or Horse or Taubert, or Stuey, or Henry or Crouchy or Ireland, let alone Nathan Gibbs and our physios being party to anything along these lines? then I started to feel a bit naive....then mad. Its all a bit much. Can they get on with it please and just stop people like me speculating on .... well everything really. I feel grubby.

I agree that it's very hard to imagine people with such well earned, wonderful reputations being involved in anything like this. But if something shifty is going on in a club, does everyone know about it? I have no love for Essendon but don't believe that everyone knew what was allegedly happening there. I may be na?ve but I reckon it only takes one overly ambitious maverick to stuff it up for everyone and that's what I'm worried about with us.

Like you, Primmy, I feel grubby. I loved our Premiership, I love our club and I hate the way this controversy is making me feel.

[Nico]

You know, I can't help wondering if the AFL had been proactive when everyone knew the WCE were on the gear and had the guts to go in hard on the issue then, we may not be in this situation now. Unfortunately they swept it under the carpet and hoped it would go away.

[Primmy]

Chill, just chill. Let's not speculate about things we know nothing about.

You mean like the press Erica?

[erica]

You mean like the press Erica?

Indeed.

[Meg]

I would be feeling more comfortable at the moment but for the fact that our club showed it accepted the culture of 'greed is good' last year by taking on Tom Waterhouse as a major sponsor. I don't want to start up that debate again. There were RWOers with differing views on this in a long discussion last year. But it gave a signal to players, some of whom are young and impressionable, that doing what it takes to make money out of football/sport is ok. The Swans lost a bit of integrity in my eyes with that decision.

[jono2707]

You know, I can't help wondering if the AFL had been proactive when everyone knew the WCE were on the gear and had the guts to go in hard on the issue then, we may not be in this situation now. Unfortunately they swept it under the carpet and hoped it would go away.

I understand where you're coming from here but as far as I know WCE had issues with 'recreational' drugs only whilst the current furore is about performance enhancing drugs.

[Big Al]

Re: Hope not.....

Until the ACC actually name names instead of throwing mud at all the sports I've decided not to give a @@@@.

[liz]

Until the ACC actually name names instead of throwing mud at all the sports I've decided not to give a @@@@.

Me too. While I am not naive enough to think there is no chance any Swans players will be implicated, right now there is no public evidence to suggest they are. Until there is, they've earned my admiration and my trust. And I'm damned well going to enjoy the fact we're reigning premiers, and entering 2013 with a highly competitive, disciplined and even team.

[Frog]

Until the ACC actually name names instead of throwing mud at all the sports I've decided not to give a @@@@.

Ditto.

[Bloody Hell]

Until the ACC actually name names instead of throwing mud at all the sports I've decided not to give a @@@@.

Living internationally this is being reported that all Australians are drug cheats (as there are only a few sentences given to it, each time it's reported).

I'm having (irrational) conversations with people about Olympic medals being stripped etc. The way this is being handled has done irreparable damage to how Australian sportmen are perceived, that will taint everything done by someone in green and gold for the immediate future - think East Germany. Great job whoever managed this information.

[R-1]

Re: Hope not.....

Living internationally this is being reported that all Australians are drug cheats (as there are only a few sentences given to it, each time it's reported).

I'm having (irrational) conversations with people about Olympic medals being stripped etc. The way this is being handled has done irreparable damage to how Australian sportmen are perceived, that will taint everything done by someone in green and gold for the immediate future - think East Germany. Great job whoever managed this information.

The tradeoff is the signal that we really hate cheats. That may balance over a longer term

[GongSwan]

I agree that it's very hard to imagine people with such well earned, wonderful reputations being involved in anything like this. But if something shifty is going on in a club, does everyone know about it? I have no love for Essendon but don't believe that everyone knew what was allegedly happening there. I may be na?ve but I reckon it only takes one overly ambitious maverick to stuff it up for everyone and that's what I'm worried about with us.

Like you, Primmy, I feel grubby. I loved our Premiership, I love our club and I hate the way this controversy is making me feel.

Speaking as someone who recently did 48 weeks of chemo, where I had to inject myself in hte stomach every week, I knew exactly what I was taking and why. Any dipstick that doesn't bother to ask or check, is not worthy of running in the human race, much less earning squillions playing footy

[Dosser]

The report identifies several peptides which strip fat and build lean muscle mass. This would be invaluable in AFL.

Damn! I've been taking them in reverse!

[Big Al]

Re: Hope not.....

Damn! I've been taking them in reverse!

I didn't the instructions on mine. Apparently you can't wash them down with a thick shake. Who knew...