Hope not.....

[sharp9]

Speaking as someone who recently did 48 weeks of chemo, where I had to inject myself in hte stomach every week, I knew exactly what I was taking and why. Any dipstick that doesn't bother to ask or check, is not worthy of running in the human race, much less earning squillions playing footy

Did you not read that a group of senior players (led by Watson and Hille) tried to stop and were told by the club in no uncertain terms that they had to? Really don't see how you can whack the players. Why don't you go and have a beer with that wanker Mark Mcveigh. When is he going to apologise to the public and to Kyle Reimers? His response was absolutely typical of the Bullyboy playground mentality which is so prevalent in Australian sport....exemplified by Lillee and Marsh and their systematic humiliation of Kim Hughes.

Notice how one of Demetriou's key points was that "whistleblowers will be protected."

[Big Al]

Re: Hope not.....

I do feel for the majority of footballers that are doing the right thing. They are being tarnished with the same brush simply because the ACC made blanket statements without any detail what so ever.

[Swansongster]

I understand where you're coming from here but as far as I know WCE had issues with 'recreational' drugs only whilst the current furore is about performance enhancing drugs.

Several individuals at WCE were into more than recreationals it seems. Some of their players displayed all the traits of Lloyd Flandis-ish or Lance Armstrong-ish endurance and recovery (and associations with the underworld).

Agreed the AFL has been negligent on performance enhancing drugs (and gambling).

AM - AFL players on police tapes

[goswannie14]

Until the ACC actually name names instead of throwing mud at all the sports I've decided not to give a @@@@.

Same here

[Nico]

This morning in the Hun the story of how Aker questioned how a player who previously couldn't keep up with was all of a sudden dashing away from him, has been brought up again. Players, the media and the public admonished him and called him a big mouth who should just shut up, fade away and rid our world of his rubbish statements. That was 2007; when was it that the same was said of Dale Lewis? More than a little substance in what they said perhaps!

[Nico]

Several individuals at WCE were into more than recreationals it seems. Some of their players displayed all the traits of Lloyd Flandis-ish or Lance Armstrong-ish endurance and recovery (and associations with the underworld).

Agreed the AFL has been negligent on performance enhancing drugs (and gambling).

AM - AFL players on police tapes

Cousins comes to mind in his comeback game against us in Sydney. Ran all day and had an enormous number of possessions. Surely the eyebrows were raised at headquarters.

[Swansongster]

Cousins comes to mind in his comeback game against us in Sydney. Ran all day and had an enormous number of possessions. Surely the eyebrows were raised at headquarters.

His Brownlow season was full of such efforts.

[Reggi]

Given the dirth of facts coming forward, I am now of the view this was grandstanding by a few ministers trying to get in the media

If this is just innuendo I hope they are sued to within an inch of their lives

[Primmy]

What did I say before? Waiting for the other shoe to drop? Just hope and pray it doesn't involve the Swans. But will someone please drop the other shoe? Its time. I am not going to hiss&boo until I have unassailable fact, but I am getting antsy.

[Reggi]

The only clubs reported as under investigation by ACC is GC Gee & Ess

[R-1]

Did you not read that a group of senior players (led by Watson and Hille) tried to stop and were told by the club in no uncertain terms that they had to? Really don't see how you can whack the players.

That unfortunately means nothing to ASADA.

Given the dirth of facts coming forward, I am now of the view this was grandstanding by a few ministers trying to get in the media

If this is just innuendo I hope they are sued to within an inch of their lives

It's just because they can't release details while the investigations are ongoing due to how the ACC's coercive powers work. They've gone public now hoping to scare offenders into turning informant.

[The Big Cat]

The only clubs reported as under investigation by ACC is GC Gee & Ess

Also looking at Brisbane where "The Pharmacist" was employed on a consulting basis a couple of years ago.

[The Big Cat]

If the gossip I've heard is right, 9 clubs are being investigated.

Gossip from where? The media is competing for the big scoop so they will grab hold of any possible whisper. No mention of anyone except Ess, GC, Geel and Bris.

[Reggi]

It's just because they can't release details while the investigations are ongoing due to how the ACC's coercive powers work. They've gone public now hoping to scare offenders into turning informant.

I don't buy it for a second

If there are facts put them out there or say nothing

At the moment it is just grandstanding I gather Roosy has made similar comments

[sharp9]

It couldn't possibly be innuendo...if they don't have concrete to back this up they are all Dodo meat, professionally....so if they say "whole teams were doped" then they have concrete evidence of this.

The reason for not giving any specifics is that they want other people to come forward on the promise of decreased penalty.