Power practice match

[giant]

Not exactly a sell out...looks like the set of the Omega Man!

[rojo]

Just watched the replay. If the Swannies play like that in the season proper they will be lucky to win a game. Evidently the wind was very swirly but the efforts and skills of some players were terrible, quite shocking actually. They will have to improve by about 75% to beat GWS.

[Jewels]

Oh dear god, is there any point starting the season. It's all over... It's all over.

Oh my goodness the sky is going to fall in and we will never win another game ever again and pre-season is when premierships are won and we've played so crap this pre-season that we can't possibly do anything in the real season!

We will be slow starters this year I feel, but if we win the first two games as we should then we will be fine. It took us a long time to get going in 2006 and we got within a point of going back to back that year, so no need for the self destruct buttons to be pressed yet.

Yep, these practise matches are a real indication of how the season is going to shape up, look how well we've done pre-season every other year!

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Their merchandise stall had about 2 customers and their new windsheeters have "1870" in big numbers. When are they going to accept that the Port Adelaide Power and the Port Magpies are not the same club??

They are the same club. Not sure why the cheap shot.

Agree completely, I think it's great they honour their entire history, I wish we did it as well as they do.

[wolftone57]

In 2006 we lost three of the first four due to a late preseason start. We were a little underdone but by round five we were on the way winning the next six straight. We probably won't lose as many od the first five this year as we play GWS, Gold Coast, North, Geelong & St Kilda. Even with the improvement of GWS & Gold Coast I believe they are games we should win. But the danger for me is Geelong and if still a bit underdone the Saints and North. Although going by the showing North put in against the Hawks on the weekend they may be in for a long season, they didn't just get beaten they were annihilated. sure they may have been trying new players but they seemed to have quite a few of their best in. the Saints are not the team they have been either as they got done by GWS with almost a full squad.

In all I think the early draw is good for us as we don't play too many of the tough teams while underdone.

[The Big Cat]

They are the same club. Not sure why the cheap shot.

It wasn't a cheap shot. It is fact. The Port Adelaide Magpies do go back to 1870. They are still playing! The Port Adelaide Power have been purposely set up a as separate and distinct entity to expand the AFL. Sure, they probably have the same supporters, but that doesn't mean they share the same history. To my knowledge the SANFL have more ownership of PP than the Port Adelaide (Magpies) Football Club. There is no connection in terms of training or players returning to the Magpies if they don't make the Power side (except that similar to all SANFL clubs.) In fact when the Port Adelaide Magpies nearly folded a couple of years ago, the SANFL was against allowing a formal linking between the Magpies and the Power.

The Brisbane Lions have a greater claim on a long history via the Fitzroy connection. But Fitzroy's premierships (or past history) don't count as the Brisbane Lions Club is not viewed as a continuous evolution from the FFC. (as opposed to SMFL being relocated and renamed SFC but continuously playing as the same organisation). There is no way the Port Power is a continuous evolution of the Port magpies, as the Magpies are still playing in their own right. They don't even play in the same competition and never have been in the VFL/AFL.

Sure football in Port Adelaide has been played since 1870, and that is a praiseworthy achievement. But Port Power? - Try the late twentieth century. My point was, the merchandise department is rewriting history to give the impression that in the context of the country's premier competition, Port Adelaide is the oldest established club. In reality, they are one of the youngest.

[Nico]

So we were 7 points down at 3/4 time with an undermanned and unfit team. Sounds like a good hitout to me.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Big Cat, many of your arguments about PortAd have also been employed to deny the Swans continuity with it's past.

[The Big Cat]

Big Cat, many of your arguments about PortAd have also been employed to deny the Swans continuity with it's past.

Not legitimately. South Melbourne FC was relocated to Sydney as a team by the VFL/AFL and even played under the name "South Melbourne" for sometime while playing out of Sydney. It's name was changed to the Sydney Football Club but it was still the same organisation. If I move to NSW with my dog Rex, and once at my new home rename him Fido, he is still the same dog. My wife changed her name when she married me, but she's still the same girl with the same history!

[R-1]

Re: Power practice match

It wasn't a cheap shot. It is fact. The Port Adelaide Magpies do go back to 1870. They are still playing! The Port Adelaide Power have been purposely set up a as separate and distinct entity to expand the AFL. Sure, they probably have the same supporters, but that doesn't mean they share the same history. To my knowledge the SANFL have more ownership of PP than the Port Adelaide (Magpies) Football Club. There is no connection in terms of training or players returning to the Magpies if they don't make the Power side (except that similar to all SANFL clubs.) In fact when the Port Adelaide Magpies nearly folded a couple of years ago, the SANFL was against allowing a formal linking between the Magpies and the Power.

The Brisbane Lions have a greater claim on a long history via the Fitzroy connection. But Fitzroy's premierships (or past history) don't count as the Brisbane Lions Club is not viewed as a continuous evolution from the FFC. (as opposed to SMFL being relocated and renamed SFC but continuously playing as the same organisation). There is no way the Port Power is a continuous evolution of the Port magpies, as the Magpies are still playing in their own right. They don't even play in the same competition and never have been in the VFL/AFL.

Sure football in Port Adelaide has been played since 1870, and that is a praiseworthy achievement. But Port Power? - Try the late twentieth century. My point was, the merchandise department is rewriting history to give the impression that in the context of the country's premier competition, Port Adelaide is the oldest established club. In reality, they are one of the youngest.

They've finally and belatedly merged the off field stuff, they're a single legal entity and supporters of course consider them a single club. Eventually they will end up the reserves side when the SANFL figures out what to do with the Crows and gets over its remaining delusions of grandeur or gets crushed into submission by the AFL.

As far as I'm concerned, if my grandad who was buried with a cap signed by Warren Tredrea at a funeral attended by Eberts, Matt Primus and Brian Cunningham considers it the same club then it's the same club. It's not "rewriting history" to reference the club's history. Of course there's a profound continuity. Without that history Port Adelaide wouldn't be in the AFL.

That the SANFL screws them at every turn and tries to prevent the natural and proper linkages is really beside the point. They've had it in for Port since 1990.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Not legitimately. South Melbourne FC was relocated to Sydney as a team by the VFL/AFL and even played under the name "South Melbourne" for sometime while playing out of Sydney. It's name was changed to the Sydney Football Club but it was still the same organisation. If I move to NSW with my dog Rex, and once at my new home rename him Fido, he is still the same dog. My wife changed her name when she married me, but she's still the same girl with the same history!

Not sure about your analogy, there are plenty of woman who decide not to take on their new husbands surname fas they hold to the opposite point of view.

Leaving that aside: If you do question the legitimacy of denying Swans continuity, I recomend you complain to following entities:
1) The National Sports Museum (located under the MCG) because they have a display of team jumpers and the note under the red and white one clearly says we date back to 1982.
2) The Sydney Swans, because they seem quite happy to go along with the nonsensical 1874 foundation date.

[The Big Cat]

It's not "rewriting history" to reference the club's history. Of course there's a profound continuity. Without that history Port Adelaide wouldn't be in the AFL.

The history of any Port Adelaide team in the VFL/AFL goes back to 1997. End of story. The Power was a start up club. If it has "merged" with the old SANFL club is irrelevant. Brisbane Lions have a greater claim to continuity since at least one of its merger partners (Fitzroy) played continuously in the same competition. I concede Port Power and Port Magpie supporters are the same group but that doesn't have any more relevance than saying a Victorian State footy team will be supported by those who support the Bushrangers cricket team.

[The Big Cat]

Not sure about your analogy, there are plenty of woman who decide not to take on their new husbands surname fas they hold to the opposite point of view.

Leaving that aside: If you do question the legitimacy of denying Swans continuity, I recomend you complain to following entities:
1) The National Sports Museum (located under the MCG) because they have a display of team jumpers and the note under the red and white one clearly says we date back to 1982.
2) The Sydney Swans, because they seem quite happy to go along with the nonsensical 1874 foundation date.

To deny the Sydney Swans is not the same club as the old South Melbourne Football Club is to claim that the Western Bulldogs are not the same club as the old Footscray FFC or that North Melbourne was not North Melbourne when they changed their name to simply The Kangaroos.

[Swansongster]

They are both Port Adelaide and their fans are the same. If you live in South Australia you either love them or hate them. Much like Collingwood in Melbourne and Manly in Sydney.

[R-1]

I concede Port Power and Port Magpie supporters are the same group but that doesn't have any more relevance than saying a Victorian State footy team will be supported by those who support the Bushrangers cricket team.

That's a very silly claim to make. It's the same club competing in a new competition. I really do not understand why someone would seriously claim otherwise.