Lance Franklin to become a Swan

[Meg]

I believe, and I may be wrong, he doesn't the get the money but the figure will be counted in the TPP.

That is how I understand it. However Ireland (or it might have been Colless) also said when the offer was first announced that some of the money was for marketing (adding that the Swans were allowed to do that) and the COLA would not apply to the marketing component. Would the marketing component therefore be outside the TPP? And so if Franklin retired not only would he not get paid, the TPP to count against the Swans for the remaining years would exclude the marketing money?

[CJK]

What a statement from the pompous AFL.

It also works this way...!

[Dosser]

That AFL statement was for the benefit of the other clubs. They are telling them that the AFL has done its duty and now is washing its hands. The fact that they will annually review the situation with one of the league's best-run clubs is a flogging with a lettuce leaf.

[GongSwan]

I'm yet to be convinced, but believe that Ireland knows what he's doing. Kinda nervous

[Go Swannies]

What a pompous statement from the AFL.

indeed.

[Meg]

That is how I understand it. However Ireland (or it might have been Colless) also said when the offer was first announced that some of the money was for marketing (adding that the Swans were allowed to do that) and the COLA would not apply to the marketing component. Would the marketing component therefore be outside the TPP? And so if Franklin retired not only would he not get paid, the TPP to count against the Swans for the remaining years would exclude the marketing money?

From some Internet searching I think I have answered my own question. Marketing payments (formally known as Additional Service Agreements) are capped in total for each club but are not included in the TPP. Only high profile players add value for marketing purposes and I imagine for the Swans Adam Goodes would be the most important. So when Adam retires not only will TPP be freed up so will marketing money. My guess is that comes into the configuration of the Franklin contract.

[ShockOfHair]

There is a bit of a sting in the tail of the AFL statement about the possible termination of COLA. I'd like to think that our contracts have been written always in light of that possibility.

On a separate note: can we assume that the Swans are insured against a Buddy injury in the first five or six years of the contract?

[royboy42]

There is a bit of a sting in the tail of the AFL statement about the possible termination of COLA. I'd like to think that our contracts have been written always in light of that possibility.

On a separate note: can we assume that the Swans are insured against a Buddy injury in the first five or six years of the contract?

If a silly old codger like me has plenty insurance, I expect a hot shot outfit like the swans (esp with QBE insurance as a major sponsor) will have Budddy adequately covered for exactly that circumstance.

[ShockOfHair]

From some Internet searching I think I have answered my own question. Marketing payments (formally known as Additional Service Agreements) are capped in total for each club but are not included in the TPP. Only high profile players add value for marketing purposes and I imagine for the Swans Adam Goodes would be the most important. So when Adam retires not only will TPP be freed up so will marketing money. My guess is that comes into the configuration of the Franklin contract.

Ireland spoke specifically about the marketing cap in his SEN interview posted on the Swans website. I think he said there'd been some misreporting and there is no marketing budget in the Buddy deal (Pickering has said the same thing). But don't quote me on it. Between the marketing cap and the salary cap, COLA and third party, trade month and the combine, free agency and restricted free agency, draft picks and priority picks, father-son picks and scholarship picks, not to mention the draft, the rookie draft and the pre-season draft, the whole AFL player recruitment process makes my head ***********.

[Meg]

I think what they said was there are no third party agreements (as incorrectly suggested by Eddie and which I think were at the centre of the problems with the Crows/Tippett contract). ASAs are made between the player and the club, to do promotional work for the club, not made with third parties v

[On-Baller]

Well done to Gil McLachlan who just called Damian Barrett on his bias, Barrett was clearly looking for a headline and McLachlan called him on it and said he backs the swans to know the risks of the buddy deal, Barrett of course then said " well i disagree and the way i see it is ...blah blah biased crap etc" , they spruiked on twitter that coming up McLachlan gives us all the FACTS regarding Franklin deal but then when he didnt say what Barrett wanted to hear he was just dismissed and told he was wrong.

[The Big Cat]

What a pompous statement from the AFL.

It's a window dressing statement. An insult to the club. Everyone in football knows the money stays in the cap if the player retires early. Andrew Ireland is the best in the business and to suggest he needs advice is arrogance at its highest! To say the club needs to meet with the AFL is a joke anyway, as all club TPPs are reviewed by the AFL before they can be signed off on.

Maybe the coach needs to take a similar approach to Buddy before he approves his running out onto the field -

Buddy - "I'm right to go coach."
Horse - "We need to review that before you can run out"
Buddy - "I've played 180 games coach. I know what I'm doing!"
Horse - "I need formal acknowledgement that you know you must wear footy boots."
Buddy - "OK. Anything else before I can get onto the ground?"
Horse - "Yeah. We need to meet at the end of each year and you can tell me how you intend to make sure you wear boots next year."
Buddy - "Sounds as if you think I'm a dumb arse"
Horse - "No, I don't think that. You are respected across the AFL for your ability to run onto the ground properly attired, but I have to tell you to do something otherwise all the other clubs will think you're my love child.
Buddy - "But you sound like Captain Obvious, telling me to wear boots"
Horse - "It's better to sound like Captain Obvious, than Danny Do Nothing. Remember the old saying 'Justice needs to be seen to be done, even if there's no injustice in the first place.' Or something like that."
Buddy - "Horse?"
Horse - "Yes, my little pariah?"
Buddy - "Can I go out onto the field now? They've already bounced the ball!"
Horse - "Are you wearing your boots?"

[Auntie.Gerald]

AFL announcing that there maybe constraints to the Sal Cap from 2015 onwards is fascinating as I am amazed that they would apply retrospectively to existing contracts

BUT anyway - is it possible to have a min and max range built around the contract with BUddy - ie we will pay you $1mill PA but if there are significant changes to the SAL Cap then we will have to adjust your contract subject to these changes

ie if you currently you receive $1mill pa which is currently is 10% of the TPP...... then we will need to adjust your $ to no less then 10% of the TPP if the TPP has been reduced due to the COLA being reduced ? ie this change may mean 10% now equals $950k pa ?

[Bloodthirsty]

It's been pretty disappointing how the AFL and the football world has treated the Swans for having outstanding, forward-thinking and ambitious management and a powerful brand. To some extent it has made me enjoy the game less, like the death of a peice of innocence or at least the right to go about your own business without scorn. To read reactive and uneducated comments by the football public and media about this is a class-A example of media manipulation shaping the opinions of the masses. This happens on a larger scale in society and the world - where people who know real facts instead of propoganda are the ones who are called names and made outcasts. Yes, that is the brilliant strategy. Name-calling. It doesn't matter if some people know the real facts, because the media controls who this is broadcast to. And for every one person who knows the facts, there are 1 million sheeple who are brainwashed, so it doesn't matter.

To hear people say things like they've lost respect for the Swans; or that the Swans are 'buying flags', or that the Swans are professional cheaters - all because the Swans are the best of the best at what they do - is very frustrating for Swans fans. To have the media peddle lies and strategically assasinate the incredible and hard-fought brand of the Swans simply because the Swans went against the masterplan is very frustrating, but it is exactly what goes on elsewhere on a grander scale. Baseless opinions broadcast over and over and over again until people believe it. Unfortunately the masses will believe what they are told, and anyone who knows the true facts are either ignored or branded cheats or one-eyed fans.

I'd like say that I look forward to redemption in several upcoming Septembers, but I get the feeling that the groundwork is being laid for the mass derogation of any future Swans success.

Still, I know that we will land several very well-deserved flags over the coming years.

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It's been pretty disappointing how the AFL and the football world has treated the Swans for having outstanding, forward-thinking and ambitious management and a powerful brand. To some extent it has made me enjoy the game less, like the death of a peice of innocence or at least the right to go about your own business without scorn. To read reactive and uneducated comments by the football public and media about this is a class-A example of media manipulation shaping the opinions of the masses. This happens on a larger scale in society and the world - where people who know real facts instead of propoganda are the ones who are called names and made outcasts. Yes, that is the brilliant strategy. Name-calling. It doesn't matter if some people know the real facts, because the media controls who this is broadcast to. And for every one person who knows the facts, there are 1 million sheeple who are brainwashed, so it doesn't matter.

To hear people say things like they've lost respect for the Swans; or that the Swans are 'buying flags', or that the Swans are professional cheaters - all because the Swans are the best of the best at what they do - is very frustrating for Swans fans. To have the media peddle lies and strategically assasinate the incredible and hard-fought brand of the Swans simply because the Swans went against the masterplan is very frustrating, but it is exactly what goes on elsewhere on a grander scale. Baseless opinions broadcast over and over and over again until people believe it. Unfortunately the masses will believe what they are told, and anyone who knows the true facts are either ignored or branded cheats or one-eyed fans.

I'd like say that I look forward to redemption in several upcoming Septembers, but I get the feeling that the groundwork is being laid for the mass derogation of any future Swans success.

Still, I know that we will land several very well-deserved flags over the coming years.

[Zlatorog]

AFL has lost its credibility by handling this very badly and it will have long term impact regardless what Melbourne clubs think. I would even predict that GWS might not even stay in Sydney for much too long and move in the end to Canberra where they probably belong.