Swans 2013 Draft Strategy

[dimelb]

I think we might have 38 and 4, depending whether we have to include Patrick M in the total.
Otherwise the club might be happy to go in with one or two under the maximum (which is what, by the way?) as a way of easing payment issues.

[Auntie.Gerald]

di

based on that who do u see moving on in my list of 41 total ?

also how many picks will we use to draft a player ?

14 and maybe 35 only ?

[Ludwig]

If we didn't have a use for picks 39 and 44, I don't see why we would have agreed to taking them in a trade. We might still package up a couple of picks and players like Everitt and Armstrong up gain a better position in the draft. I don't think the trade period is quite over for us yet.

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If high draft picks were the key to success, then the Melbourne Demons would be premiers

[liz]

if we went with 38 list players and 3 rookies in 2013 what is your prediction for the total list numbers for the 2014 season ?

Hard to make a 2014 prediction based on a 2013 scenario that didn't exist. We had a senior list of 38 and a rookie list of 7 in 2013.

[liz]

I think we might have 38 and 4, depending whether we have to include Patrick M in the total.
Otherwise the club might be happy to go in with one or two under the maximum (which is what, by the way?) as a way of easing payment issues.

Theoretically we can have as many as 9 rookies if we have a senior list of 38 (7 if we have a senior list of 40). Six regular rookies (4 with a senior list of 40) plus up to 3 category B rookies (NSW zone selections, international rookies).

A smaller rookie list could ease cash payments (in a modest way) but has no impact on salary cap since rookie listed players are completely outside the cap while on the rookie list and partially outside the cap if/when they are promoted.

[wolftone57]

With the draft order firming up, can anyone speculate about the possible selections to be taken by the Swans in the draft?

For mine the needs are pretty straight forward, in two categories:

1. Big Bodied Midfielders - With ROK almost retired and Freo and the Swans demonstrating the value of this type of player, I'd be suprised if it wasn't a priority. JPK will be Robinson Crusoe very soon.

2. Ruck or 2nd Forward/Ruck - pretty straight forward, losing Mummy and White leaves a massive hole. Interesting to see how this is addressed. Will someone like Seaby be redrafted, or will they go with development, with picks or rookies, or a combination of everything? Is Naismith ready if required? Were they hiding Dawes? All shall be revealed.

Any thoughts?

I don't think we need a forward for the next 5 years. As for ruck we have Naismith who is developing nicely and if we can draft a young partner for him it would be good. This could be done this draft or next.

Mids, mids, mids? How many bleeding mids and strong ones do you want? Mitchell, Lukie Parker, Lambie, Towers, Marsh (big and strong another Joey type), Robinson (is also a taller lad). Then add Lloyd, BJ, Hannas, Kizza, Benny, Jetts and even Biggs or Rohan. I think we have a lot of players to play with in the mids. I don't think outside speed is going to be a problem either as Jetts, BJ, Kizza, Gazza, Dick and Towers are all good for speed. Biggs for reliability.

What we do need to worry about is KP defenders and a young developing ruckman to partner Naismith. Tommy Walsh may fill the KP Defender role with Xav Richards but I would still like to develop a couple of young blokes as well.

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Tippetts younger brother is available, and we do seem to love recruiting brothers.
Most of our backline seems to have only two to three years in them so we need some help there!

He would actually be a very good fit. He could play on the tall KPP. Xav Richards taking the smaller man. But there is one problem, Port are showing interest and we are a few picks behind them in the draft.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-14/tippett-hopes-for-third-chance

[Ludwig]

if we went with 38 list players and 3 rookies in 2013 what is your prediction for the total list numbers for the 2014 season ?

As of right now, we have lost 6 senior list players and added 3, Franklin to the senior list, Perris and P Mitchell to the rookie list. This reduces the total player list from 45 to 42. If we use our top 3 ND picks and elevate Rampe and another rookie (Biggs for instance) we will be in the same position as last year with 38 seniors and 7 rookies.

My feeling is that there will be some additional changes, most likely involving Everitt and Armstrong, so the mix is likely to change a bit.

[wolftone57]

Does anyone know if Biggs, Brandon and Xavier been kept on the senior list. Jack and Richards can go back on the rookie list but Biggs has to be kept on the list or be delisted.

Biggsie hasn't been mentioned as a delisting or a trade so I presume we are keeping him and elevating him at the ND. I think he, Rampe & BJ have all deserved to be listed.

[lwjoyner]

Its hard to see the draft strategy getting 39 and 44 for Shane and Jesse doesn't seem too smart, Eagles still have 28 & 31 (reading 31 for yeo), GWS have 21 and 22 while Pies end up with the cream of 6 and 10 and who knows what in the Shaw/Adams deal.
Maybe we can get a reasonable mid (Acres) or a tall defender (Gardner) with 15 and perhaps Kurts brother who profile looks good with one of the 30's before upgrading some from the rookie list. Can we afford to leave BJ and Xav on the list and upgrade Dan (a certainty) Lloyd who maybe has exhausted his time on the rookie list and I am note sure about Robbo.

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I forgot abot Biggs who I also think may have exhausted his time as a rookie.

[wolftone57]

my guess is that would be a 2 year cardio programme and midfield change in ressies for Membrey

Kennedy had many many years of building his tank and midfield skills prior to joining the Swans

my guess is that we may still want to trade for a HBF and/ or midfielder and or back up ruck as we have accumulated some draft picks we may not want to use

I think Membrey was drafted to fill the kind of role that ROK did when he first came to the club. I think he is meant to be another VERY dangerous forward option who can take a very good mark. Think about it, no Goodes or ROK but we still have Timbo and he can take a very strong mark and he kicks very accurately generally. Her kicked 3.5 in the Eastern Conference Final and 6.3 in the Second Semi Final. He certainly knows how to score on the big stage and I think we are developing a very powerful forward set up. Think about this line up post ROK & Goodes.

Rohan/Bird Tippett Membrey/Reid

Lambie/Parker Franklin Benny/BJ

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I think we might have 38 and 4, depending whether we have to include Patrick M in the total.
Otherwise the club might be happy to go in with one or two under the maximum (which is what, by the way?) as a way of easing payment issues.

Patrick Mitchell is not counted in the 44 as he is an International Rookie and comes outside this number.

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As of right now, we have lost 6 senior list players and added 3, Franklin to the senior list, Perris and P Mitchell to the rookie list. This reduces the total player list from 45 to 42. If we use our top 3 ND picks and elevate Rampe and another rookie (Biggs for instance) we will be in the same position as last year with 38 seniors and 7 rookies.

My feeling is that there will be some additional changes, most likely involving Everitt and Armstrong, so the mix is likely to change a bit.

I don't know how you work that out AG? You cannot include Rookie Lists in the same breath as senior lists.

For a start we have lost;

Retired

Bolton

Mattner

Morton

Delisted

Brown

Traded

Mummy

Jesse

Six Senior positions up for grabs:

Done Deal

Buddy

Upgraded

Rampe

Biggs

BJ

Draft two in a shallow draft.

International Rookie

Patrick Mitchell

Last Scholarship Player

Perris

Neither Perris or Mitchell are counted on the list of 44 as BJ wasn't before them. BJ could be retained on the Rookie List, there is that option.

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Its hard to see the draft strategy getting 39 and 44 for Shane and Jesse doesn't seem too smart, Eagles still have 28 & 31 (reading 31 for yeo), GWS have 21 and 22 while Pies end up with the cream of 6 and 10 and who knows what in the Shaw/Adams deal.
Maybe we can get a reasonable mid (Acres) or a tall defender (Gardner) with 15 and perhaps Kurts brother who profile looks good with one of the 30's before upgrading some from the rookie list. Can we afford to leave BJ and Xav on the list and upgrade Dan (a certainty) Lloyd who maybe has exhausted his time on the rookie list and I am note sure about Robbo.

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I forgot abot Biggs who I also think may have exhausted his time as a rookie.

Lloydie has only been on Rookie List 1 year.

[Chilcott]

Players in the draft

Was looking at the footage of Zac Bates in the attached link.

He moves excactly the same as Schwatta.

Appears to have a fair bit of pace and class.

Midfielders - AFL.com.au

[dimelb]

di

based on that who do u see moving on in my list of 41 total ?

also how many picks will we use to draft a player ?

14 and maybe 35 only ?

AG, I note that Armstrong and Everitt aren't on your list and I have the impression that Tony still has a year on his contract - am I right? And I think Walsh is in the same boat.
I wonder if they will tell Dre that his time's up - I think he's out of contract, isn't he? Or will they try to keep his development going rather than start from scratch with an unknown quantity as a youngster?
The whole collection is an embarrassment of riches, and I can't recall a time when we were scratching around to move someone on. I think in other years Alex Brown would've stayed, but when you add a couple of superstars at one end, someone has to fall out at the other. To answer your question I'd be surprised if we didn't pick up at least three newbies.

And thank you for your friendly opening AG, but have a close look under my cybername on my posts!

[sharp9]

I thought I read in the NEW rookie rules that International and Scholarship players are now considered one of the 3 (Maximum) "B" rookies....along with zone players - that being the case we have do something with one of Robinson or Naismith.....I know that Internationals USED to be extra (I'm thinking back to MP first arriving)

[GordonS]

i like the look of darcy gardiner. could help fill the role of a key defender and may be valuable with richards and lrt getting a little old

[liz]

I thought I read in the NEW rookie rules that International and Scholarship players are now considered one of the 3 (Maximum) "B" rookies....along with zone players

That's my read on the rules.