2014 round 1 team vs GWS

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  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9723

    I hope Horse took the opportunity to walk up to Ryan at the end of training and say "on your bike, son".
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • swantastic
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2006
      • 7275

      no match up for ROK...wtf???? umm wonder whats really going on
      Now this is a thread that i would expect on the ego -centric, wank session that is redandwhiteonline.com...

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      • Matt80
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Sep 2013
        • 1802

        Originally posted by CureTheSane
        WOW
        I think this is a good call, and brave.
        But ROK is one of the fittest and hardest working players going around.
        I think Longmire was telling it straight when he mentioned match ups.

        One thing which still amazes me is talk of Rampe losing his spot for AJ, Laidler or anyone else.
        I'd HATE to see him out of the side, one of our most reliable and solid players.

        I thought earlier in the week that Rampe could be in trouble due to the concerted "pumpage" of Laidler by Swans defenders and officials, but he has made the 22. Rampe or Cunningham will be the Sub in that 22.

        The Giants have not named Boyd in their 22, meaning that LRT will play forward / back up Ruckman.
        The ROK decision has been a shock based on the fact that all regular Red and White bloggers have commented. I think on reflection that AFL is very tough for any player aged over 32. Michael Tuck and Dustin Fletcher are the exceptions to the rule. We have seen in recent year?s players such as Peter Bell, Simon Black, Chris Judd, Daniel Kerr, Scott West and Brad Johnston struggle in their early to mid30s. It?s hard to keep defying nature!

        Its credit to ROK that he reinvented himself from a classy All Australian Half forward, to an elite inside midfielder who won the 2012 North Smith Medal with an astonishing 15 tackles. He was smart to realise that in his late 20s that he did not possess the electric speed to continue to be as effective as a medium half forward. Think of electric half forwards like Garry Rohan and Jeremy Howe and see my point. He then got into the midfield where the retirements of Luke Ablett , Jarrod Crouch and Brett Kirk and the trading of Amon Buchannan opened up good opportunities for him, which took brilliantly. Now the opportunities are being opened up for young midfielders such as Luke Parker, Tom Mitchell and Harry Cunningham.

        It will be interesting to see how ROK reinvents himself from here!

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        • Ajn
          Draft Scout
          • Jan 2003
          • 711

          Match hasn't started yet...would not be surprised to see a late change. But for those plotting his demise, don't react to every player that is rested this year because it will be more likely after the finish to last year to see a star rested. Honestly he can start in Rd 2 and we can rest the next in the rotation. Wouldn't be surprised to see each player rested for 1 or 2 weeks throughout the year.

          ...cause we can!
          Staying ahead of the game...

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          • wolftone57
            Veterans List
            • Aug 2008
            • 5861

            I think that Ryano not wanting to play as a permanent forward would not help his chances. I think flexibility is the key here, if a player is not willing to be flexible then he is going to be a doubtful starter. The other thing is the match ups. Yes he could play on Green but during the preseason other players like Parker and Mitchell have performed better. ROK was getting most of his ball in the back half and his delivery was not AFL standard at all. some of his decision making was terrible. I watched the GWS NAB Challenge match again and he had a OOF free. He kicked the ball straight to a GWs player, luckily the ball was brought back because the umpire had not whistled play on. He had a second kick and butchered that as well landing it at a players feet. ROK did not perform as well as the rest of the mids preseason. He is a slow starter and this year his slow start will be in the Twos and the form players will play Seniors. I think any player who thinks just because he is a senior player he has an armchair ride is deluded this year. If a player is down on form, no matter who they are, expect them to be dropped.

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            • Nico
              Veterans List
              • Jan 2003
              • 11346

              Any chance this is simply a player management issue. Other clubs have done this in previous years. It might simply be saving him for a certain number of games.
              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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              • Nico
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 11346

                Originally posted by wolftone57
                I think that Ryano not wanting to play as a permanent forward would not help his chances. I think flexibility is the key here, if a player is not willing to be flexible then he is going to be a doubtful starter. The other thing is the match ups. Yes he could play on Green but during the preseason other players like Parker and Mitchell have performed better. ROK was getting most of his ball in the back half and his delivery was not AFL standard at all. some of his decision making was terrible. I watched the GWS NAB Challenge match again and he had a OOF free. He kicked the ball straight to a GWs player, luckily the ball was brought back because the umpire had not whistled play on. He had a second kick and butchered that as well landing it at a players feet. ROK did not perform as well as the rest of the mids preseason. He is a slow starter and this year his slow start will be in the Twos and the form players will play Seniors. I think any player who thinks just because he is a senior player he has an armchair ride is deluded this year. If a player is down on form, no matter who they are, expect them to be dropped.
                So ROK does a couple of errant kicks. So why is McGlynn in the side. He does multiple errant kicks every game he plays.
                http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                • CureTheSane
                  Carpe Noctem
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 5032

                  Originally posted by wolftone57
                  I think that Ryano not wanting to play as a permanent forward would not help his chances.
                  ROK "I don't want to play as a permanent forward"
                  Longmire "OK, but just so you know, it may be harder to slot you in the team every week"
                  ROK "No problems I'll take that risk" (thinks to himself "yeah, sure - they are going to leave me out of the team - I'm kinda like Goodsie - walks into the team at any time)
                  Longmire ""
                  ROK " Well damn...."
                  The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                  • Ludwig
                    Veterans List
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9359

                    I doubt that ROK's preference to play midfield was an issue. That was a few years ago anyway. Probably a combination of ordinary preseason form and some good form of a few of the younger mids.

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                    • Jewels
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 3258

                      Originally posted by Nico
                      Any chance this is simply a player management issue. Other clubs have done this in previous years. It might simply be saving him for a certain number of games.
                      Yep my thoughts too Nico, if he's not named in the squad in two weeks time to play Collingwood then we'll know there's an issue.

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                      • CJK
                        Human
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 2170

                        Sydney coach John Longmire says improved youngsters pushed out veteran Ryan O?Keefe
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                        • ShockOfHair
                          One Man Out
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 3668

                          Originally posted by Jewels
                          Yep my thoughts too Nico, if he's not named in the squad in two weeks time to play Collingwood then we'll know there's an issue.
                          Yep. Sounds like he's been a bit down on form over the preseason, so why not give the younger ones game time against GWS and make sure ROK is fit and firing at the business end of the season. But it's a good message to everyone in the club.
                          The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16787

                            Originally posted by Meg
                            Jed Lamb didn't make first selection for GWS - he's an emergency.
                            I hadn't realised this until a colleague just pointed it out to me. That is almost as eyebrow raising as ROK not making our team, given the fuss they made about pursuing him.

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                            • Meg
                              Go Swannies!
                              Site Admin
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 4828

                              Originally posted by liz
                              I hadn't realised this until a colleague just pointed it out to me. That is almost as eyebrow raising as ROK not making our team, given the fuss they made about pursuing him.
                              Yes and the big money they are said to be paying him. I know I'm a bit mean (and I do wish Lamb the best fot a great career) but I had a little smile when I read his name on the emergency list. Reality strikes - AFL is a tough gig!

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                              • Auntie.Gerald
                                Veterans List
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 6483

                                loyalty is a lovely quality but as we have have heard the last few days John Longmire is a leader of a team that strives to be better week in week out not just season to season.

                                Champan was in a similar boat to ROK in 2014 and the Cats made a very decisive call on his career

                                The competition is red hot and it was a real Kevin Sheedy type call that has all our players on notice !
                                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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