ROK?

[Matt80]

It's not a phone number.
You can interpret it into individual meaningful numbers.

Can you work it out?

Thanks Scott! Just the point I'm eluding too! I can't believe he has not added the 12.

The reality is there would not have been a 12 without two warriors in the midfield (ROK and Pyke). With Goodes, Mumford, Richards, Bolton and late in the game Jetta struggling through injury, someone needed to step up. It was ROK and Pyke who did with some help from others! If the game was a draw we would have been flogged by 50 plus points the next week!

People this week are questioning these two great warriors! We owe a debt of gratitude to these two warriors! We love that number 12 and it would not have happened without ROK and Pyke. The least ROK deserves is not to humiliated in the reserves and forced to run laps in Moore Park to prove he has still got it! He has the capacity to come good and the club should of given him that time out of respect for giving them a 12!

[mcs]

Thanks Scott! Just the point I'm eluding too! I can't believe he has not added the 12. H

The reality is there would not have been a 12 without two warriors in the midfield (ROK and Pyke). With Goodes, Mumford, Richards, Bolton and late in the game Jetta struggling through injury, someone needed to step up. It was ROK and Pyke who did with some help from others! If the game was a draw we would have been flogged by 50 plus points the next week!

People this week are questioning these two great warriors! We owe a debt of gratitude to these two warriors! We love that number 12 and it would not have happened without ROK and Pyke. The least ROK deserves is not to humiliated in the reserves and forced to run laps in Moore Park to prove he has still got it! He has the capacity to come good and the club should of given him that time out of respect for giving them a 12!

I dont think pyke is being questioned... more the decision to play 1 true ruckman.

As for rok, if his form is poor and the coaches dont think he is in the best 22, then that's a fair enough decision in my opinion. Its up to him to show he should be in the best 22, even if that means that he runs around in the reserves.

I think we've been spoilt by a long period where our best 22, bar 1 or 2 players has been pretty obvious. I think this year, especially in the midfield, it may be a bit tougher to work out our best combo.

[Bexl]

[QUOTE=mcs;635143



I think we've been spoilt by a long period where our best 22, bar 1 or 2 players has been pretty obvious. I think this year, especially in the midfield, it may be a bit tougher to work out our best combo.[/QUOTE]

I think rather then being spoilt for choice before I thing maybe now instead.

[Auntie.Gerald]

for me if the inside work is sound then there are better outside players then ROK

but conversely if our inside work is not functioning get Pebbles back in the centre !!!

[giant]

[QUOTE=royboy42;635124]

Bingo!!!!!!
Thank you Liz and Meg for your rational and well reasoned posts.

I love the rational and ell reasoned posts, indeed I try and emulate them sometimes (with varying effectiveness).

But "vive la difference".

I also love the ratbaggery, the wild optimism and the wild pessimism seen here; the joy, the despair; the over analysis, and the knee jerk reactions.

It all makes up the cocktail that is RWO.

But I hate vindictiveness and personal comments that creep in rarely..but then I love the mods swift reaction to those moments.

Long live RWO in its' present form.

Hear hear. I'm all for a bit of zany forum speculation - as long as it's clearly marked as editorial and not delivered as gospel.

[DK_]

ROK can be seen training with the red team on the 'Friday training highlights' reel. They seem to be the first 22. Don't know what to take from that.

Interestingly, there didn't seem to be a punch up with Buddy either. Melbourne media will probably now claim that Buddy was too busy with a satanic ritual or pillaging a nearby village to engage in a punch up.

[ugg]

ROK can be seen training with the red team on the 'Friday training highlights' reel. They seem to be the first 22. Don't know what to take from that.

Maybe he won this week's fight?

Edit: Also saw Nanka, Lockyer, Marsh and Towers on the red team.

[Matt80]

Andrew Hamilton from News Ltd has reported today that there were reports that the Swans tried to "pension" off over the summer.

If true, I would interpret that the Swans tried to get ROK to retire over the summer.

Liz, can a club make a player retire one year early in their contract?

If this story is true it would explain a lot about the current predicament of ROK!

[goswannies]

Andrew Hamilton from News Ltd has reported today that there were reports that the Swans tried to "pension" off over the summer.

If true, I would interpret that the Swans tried to get ROK to retire over the summer.

Liz, can a club make a player retire one year early in their contract?

If this story is true it would explain a lot about the current predicament of ROK!

A player cannot be forced to retire. They can be told that it's unlikely to get many games (so incentive based contracts can be compromised). They can be delisted (but they are still paid out their contract). They can be encouraged to retire with the sweetener of a coaching position which would offset lost pay for not fulfilling the contract.

[goods78]

Andrew Hamilton from News Ltd has reported today that there were reports that the Swans tried to "pension" off over the summer.

If true, I would interpret that the Swans tried to get ROK to retire over the summer.

Liz, can a club make a player retire one year early in their contract?

If this story is true it would explain a lot about the current predicament of ROK!

Good pick up Matt80.

I suspect the first time we will have any facts will be in the end of career autobiography!

[liz]

Andrew Hamilton from News Ltd has reported today that there were reports that the Swans tried to "pension" off over the summer.

If true, I would interpret that the Swans tried to get ROK to retire over the summer.

Liz, can a club make a player retire one year early in their contract?

If this story is true it would explain a lot about the current predicament of ROK!

The only possible way this could have any element of truth is if the club had indicated to ROK he was welcome to seek a trade at the end of last year, and that he wouldn't be an automatic choice for the senior team the following season. If ROK has designs on playing on beyond this year (as he has indicated), it could be true. If the Swans do offer him another contract next year it is likely to be on reduced money, while a club like Melbourne might value his experience and leadership higher over a two or even three year period (including 2014). But bear in mind he had just finished 5th or 6th (or was about to - can't recall the timing of the trade period vs B&F) in the best and fairest count. Does it seem likely? Possible maybe, but likely?

Ask yourself whether, if JPK went down injured at any point this season, you'd rather have ROK take his place or Harry Marsh, Brad Lloyd, or Lloyd Perris. This is a club clearly gunning for a premiership this year, next year, the year after, going by the spending spree on Franklin (and Tippett last year). It's not a club trying to clear out dead wood to get games into younger players for the sake of it.

As GS has pointed out, there is no point delisting a player of ROK's experience once lists have been finalised. His contract would still need to be paid out, and such treatment of a player who has served the club fabulously well over so many years would have to be de-stabilising on the club. Why even contemplate it?

As such, it sounds like more fanciful over-reaction to one single instance of non-selection in one game against a team of young, quick players. Was the sky caving in on Hawthorn last year when Sewell was dropped for a few games? Had he had a bust-up with Buddy? Of course not, and he remains on their 2014 list and I am sure will be a valuable player for them this season.

[DK_]

You lost me at 'News Ltd'.

[ShockOfHair]

That Andrew Hamilton story takes mindless clickbait journalism to a new level, even for News Ltd. He's already come to a verdict on the Buddy move.

[Matt80]

Good pick up Matt80.

I suspect the first time we will have any facts will be in the end of career autobiography!

ROK's autobiography would be a cracking read! I can't think of any one else who has dated a princess and won a North Smith medal!

[i'm-uninformed2]

ROK's autobiography would be a cracking read! I can't think of any one else who has dated a princess and won a North Smith medal!

Agreed. A must read. After all she's a fairly plain soul but ROK must have some good gossip on what floats her boat